"I was considering adding an anti-servo tab to my small tail. can anyone tell
me;
-the dimensions of the servo tab on the bigger tail (lxw)
-the gearing (how many degrees servo tab up for 10 degrees tail up)
-the dimensions of the big tail."
to Scott and others:- in Australia people are using anti-servo tabs initially to please our aviation authority, who require the back pressure on the elevator control to be increased and for reasons that have been subject to test and discussion for some years. Generally these anti-servo's consist of a linkage which causes the trim tab to increase in angle as the elevator is moved in the same direction thus increasing the returning force.
We measured the net angular effect of one of the trim tab linkages used here on a machine that is flying and the owner is pleased with the feel and response and we are incorporating the same angles on the larger Mk11 tail, the measurements are as follows:-
(a) If the elevaor and trim tab is initially in the in line with the tail plane ie, the centered position to begin with, then moving the elevator to its maximum up position(+26 degrees) will cause the trim tab to move (rotate) +22 degrees up and if the elevator is moved to its maximum down position (-11 degrees) then the trim tab will move (rotate) -10 degrees.
(b) If the trim tab is already up the maximum amount (+30 degrees) when the elevator is centered in line with the tailplane then moving the elevator to the maximum up postion (+26 degrees) will cause the trim tab to move from +30 degrees to +54 degrees and moving the elevator to its maximum down position (-11 degrees) will cause the trim tab to move from +30 degrees to +18 degrees.
(c) If the trim tab is already down the maximum amount (-30 degrees) when the elevator is in line with the tailplane then moving the elevator to the maximum down position (-11 degrees) will move the trim tab from -30 degrees to -42 degrees and moving the elevator to the maximum up position will cause the trim tab to move from -30 degrees to -2 degrees.
Scott or others if you are interested we have a drawing done by one of the partners in our project showing how we very simply moved the ESCO trim actuator to achieve the desired result. If anyone is interested please email me and I will and I will send it as a pdf file or fax it to you if there isn't many. Please bear in mind our plane is nearing completion but has yet to be flown and tested.
Chris Moore
Submitted by Anonymous on
From:
Michael D. Smith <mdpilot982 [at] gmail.com>
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RE: [LML] Re:
Date:
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Craig,
No kidding on this one. If I paid some professional to do
a task and he represented himself as the pro and willingly took on the job and
the contract was that he would do it then he is responsible. If the
job requires certain skills and equipment then it is up to him to apply the
standard. Sorry, no complex interpretation here.
Michael Smith
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List [lml [at] lancaironline.net]">mailto:lml [at] lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Craig Gainza
Sent: Monday, July 13, 2009 8:43 PM
To:lml [at] lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re:
<if Lancair or the agent
of Lancair were setting out to do an off site inspection prudence would
suggest they were required in fact to assure the jacks and lifting mechanism of
whatever type and the people involved were competent>
You have got to be kidding me!
Submitted by Anonymous on
From:
TOM GARDINER <n20087 [at] yahoo.com>
Sender:
<marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Date:
Sun, 13 Dec 2009 12:31:50 -0500
To:
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Folks,
I have a tip up canopy and in the market for a lightly used or new canopy latch mechanism.If you have a complete kit available and willing to sell, please contact me directly by email at n20087 [at] yahoo.com
Thanks
Tom
Submitted by Anonymous on
From:
Craig Schulze <craig [at] skybolt.net>
Sender:
<marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Date:
Fri, 26 Mar 2010 06:23:15 -0400
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<lml [at] lancaironline.net>
Grayhawk,
You caught me. Ok
maybe that altitude was a few feet higher than sea level. Got to watch
out for those leaping fish though. J
I will bring my digital
level out to the airport next time and give you all the exact settings for
mine.
In the run I did this
evening it ran 212 TAS at 3000 ft. 2550 rpm WOT. 28.5” mp. 1.5”
of ram boost. I have the flaps and ailerons sealed. Tried
the elevator this evening but did not notice any difference.
I do seem to run out of
down trim at the high speeds though. Rudder position is pretty neutral but
just a tap of left will center the ball.
Craig
N73S
From:
Sky2high [at] aol.com
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Subject:
Re: [LML] Re: 320 Airfoil Reflex
Date:
Thu, 25 Mar 2010 20:05:55 -0400
To:
lml [at] lancaironline.net
Craig,
Interesting....... Note that the flaps will actually fly
higher than their ground rigging position because of linkage slop and in
flight air flow.
Of course, every 300 series aircraft is different. Let's
assume we are talking about a slow built (fast builds are slightly
different), Short engine mount, small tail, pre-preg glass, standard wheels,
and built according to plans. That means, by design, the flaps are in
-7 degrees reflex when faired into the fillet - that is if the fillets were
laterally located to the same position relative to the longeron. Also,
remember that the horizontal stabilizer is to be mounted between -.5 to
-1 degree incidence (relative to the longeron) - another variable.
Note that increasing the reflex results in wing forces that
want to further lift the nose. If the horizontal stabilizer is not at
the correct AOI, the elevator may be necessarily positioned for more nose
down force that may increase drag. It is not possible to know if
your rigging is "sweet" for everyone else unless all the
conditions match. Indeed, your reflex position may overcome a condition
in your tail.
If you wish to attain greater speeds, consider
also using gap seals on the rudder and elevator. BTW, where is
your rudder positioned at 215 Knots (true or indicated?).
I do have a problem with your sea level speeds as the aircraft
would have increased drag from the sea water.
Grayhawk
In a message dated 3/25/2010 2:58:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, craig [at] skybolt.net writes:
Hi Bill,
I know a lot of others are claiming that reflex is at the
faired in position. That may not be the best position. My little
320 does 215 kts at sea level. 210 is about the average cruise at
7500. I am dialing in an extra 1/2 inch (measured at the trailing edge
of the flap) of reflex. While flying in formation I have determined
that for my airplane this is the sweet spot. Too much will slow it down
and any less will too. The difference between the faired in position
and my reflex position is 7-10 kts. I also have the gaps on the flaps
taped and gap seals on the ailerons.
I've never been certain that my flaps up position is
exactly right. I know some of you couldn't sleep if their flaps weren't in
exactly the best spot. So, here's what I would like from you:
What is the exact angle between your cockpit longeron and the top inboard
skin of your flap when it is fully up? I ask this question because it will be
easy for me to measure and correct if necessary and it is not ambiguous. My
plane is a 320.
Thanks -- Bill Kennedy
Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
Your very funny. You have quite a collection too that
may be slowing you down. Maybe we should be requesting that they start
making the trophies out of aluminum.
That 3 blade scimitar MT is a sexy looking prop.
I was hoping that I would hear everyone come back that they were faster with
it. Love the quiet and smooth but got to have that speed baby. Tonight
I did a test run with some minor tweaks and it ran 212 kts at 3000 ft. Std
day. 2550 and WOT. Guess I am going to need rocket pods to do much
better.
Craig
N73S
L320
From:
randy snarr <randylsnarr [at] yahoo.com>
Sender:
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Subject:
Re: [LML] Re: Prop for LNC2
Date:
Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:33:39 -0400
To:
lml [at] lancaironline.net
I have only run the MT 3 blade. I too love this
propeller. Very smooth and light. On my IO320 the prop weight is only 37
lbs. Please don't ask how I know this but it is a wood core, combination of
spruce and a highly compressed beachwood If I recall what the factory told
me, with a fiberglass shell and stainless leading edge for protection from
moisture ect..
Wood also is flexible and has natural dampening properties. It is the only
propeller I have run on the airplane but it is fast. Even with my Legacy
style tips (25' wing) I am also running the larger legacy tail (MKII) and a
completely stock IO320 ( injected/ Elec IG) and I can get to 198-200 KTS
TAS at 8000.
I would love to try other propellers but that is too much of a hassle for
me. I am happy with the set up and would definetaly buy another one..
Craig, If I recall, weren't you at about 210 KTS with your current set up?
Leave the OSH GC trophy home and the weight savings alone will get you
another 5 KTS...
FWIW...
Randy Snarr
N694RS
235/320
--- On Wed, 3/24/10, Lorn H Olsen <lorn [at] dynacomm.us>
wrote:
From: Lorn H Olsen <lorn [at] dynacomm.us>
Subject: [LML] Re: Prop for LNC2
To: lml [at] lancaironline.net
Date: Wednesday, March 24, 2010, 9:28 AM
Craig,
I love my http://www.aerocomposites.com/
prop. I have over 600 hours on the prop, including an overspeed to 3,400
rpm (not the props fault), and the prop doesn't even have 1 scratch on the
leading edge. I have seen Hartzel's that looked like they needed an
overhaul at 200 hrs on PA-180's.
Aero Composites uses a nickel leading edge. No inspection required for the
overspeed according to Aero Composites.
Gary, I made mine from scratch. As I remember, it took a couple of weekends...
Angier Ames
N4ZQ
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Clifford Scheel <candp_scheel [at] msn.com>
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<marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Date:
Tue, 31 May 2011 08:16:54 -0400
To:
<lml [at] lancaironline.net>
We can't open anything until you send it as an attachment.
Thanks
Cliff
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Doug Owen <visfishdo [at] yahoo.com>
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From:
jeffrey rienzi <ptjetpilot [at] hotmail.com>
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<marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Date:
Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:32:37 -0400
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<lml [at] lancaironline.net>
2000 Lancair 360- All the right stuff!! TT-1100 - IFR, New Tires, Feb Inspection. Outback Gear, Big Tail, Forward hinge Canopy, MT-12 Prop, IO-360 with 10:1 pistons, 210 HP, Gami's, Garmin W530 Tru Trac Sorcerer Autopilot Coupled, Leather, Stereo and More asking 89,000 or Best Offer call Jeff at 919-418-9000
I'm a new pilot preparing to make my first airplane purchase. I'd like to learn more about the Lancair and possibly go for a ride. I'm located in Knoxville, TN (KTYS). Are there any owners near East TN area or in the South? And can you give me their contact information?
Thanks
Mark Valenti
865-607-0076
Submitted by Anonymous on
From:
PAUL HERSHORIN <paulhershorin [at] bellsouth.net>
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Date:
Sun, 02 Oct 2011 10:08:40 -0400
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If you want to come to West Palm Beach< Florida I would be happy to give you a ride.
Paul Hershorin
561 758-9174
--- On Fri, 9/30/11, vtailjeff [at] aol.com<vtailjeff [at] aol.com> wrote:
I'm a new pilot preparing to make my first airplane purchase. I'd like to learn more about the Lancair and possibly go for a ride. I'm located in Knoxville, TN (KTYS). Are there any owners near East TN area or in the South? And can you give me their contact information?
"Age shall not weary them " except in curtain circumstances.
Dominic V. Crain
domcrain [at] tpg.com.au
Phone 03-94161881
Mobile 0412-359320
On 02/03/2013, at 5:24 AM, Sky2high [at] aol.com wrote:
Thanks, Sue.
Got it. Wrong way Corrigan may have been a relative of mine.
BTW, which Saturday is that? Oh, the one coming up
tomorrow.......... I figured that out because today is today.
Grayhawk
In a message dated 3/1/2013 12:06:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, kitplanesue [at] gmail.com writes:
Bill
just crossed the international date line, so he's passed from tomorrow to
today. Really strange and FlightAware couldn't handle it. He's
finally picking up some reasonable tailwinds, just hope they continue! If all
goes well, he should land in Jacksonville, FL sometime Saturday
morning.
Sue
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:47 PM, <Sky2high [at] aol.com> wrote:
Uh, Bill just crossed the date line. Is that from yesterday to
today? Or, considering the length of the flight - from today to
tomorrow? Or, back to the future?
Hey, gimme a break - I'm old
Grayhawk
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> Since the gascolator appears to be rather useless at removing water, it's primary function for the Legacy is filtration. With so many other filtration options available, it seems illogical to put a gascolator in the engine
> compartment.
Hi Mark,
I would suggest that because there is so much room for fuel to slosh around inside the gascolator. This appears to me to have a self cleaning effect on the filter. I think it is a better "filter" than an inline filter because the bowl would have to be full of a lot of sludge before fuel flow is arrested. With a smaller inline filter, I think it would take a very small amount of garbage to clog the inline filter compared to the gascolator. At least I think this would be true with the one that came with the firewall forward accessories on my Legacy. It also has a very fine filter, so anything that makes it through should pass through the injector nozzles without trouble.
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