Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 12/16/1998 - 19:54 Forums: LML Archive From: Marvin May <maymarv [at] ucla.edu> Subject: Insurance IV Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:54:58 -0800 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I have had experience with an industry self insured group. I believe that most of these groups, like ours, are organized to handle liability insurance rather than accidents (hull). We had to form an offshore company (Bahamas), hire a U.S. Company to manage quoting the individual premiums, another company to manage the claims, along with our own Board of Directors for the company. The fixed overheads were high enough to require a substantial amount of premiums before the project could be justified. The number of participants was not huge, but certainly larger than the probable number of Lancair IV owners who would join. The individual company premiums were often over $100,000. The major problems were: 1. A few large losses could eat up all the company's reserves. 2. Whenever the market for insurance became more competitive, for any reason, the regular insurance companies would cut their rates below ours and many of our members would leave the plan. 3. In addition to the premiums, the members had to invest Summary: Probably not practical for the small number of participants and amount of available premiums. What might be practical for the owners who can afford it is to get a regular company to tailor a policy based on VERY LARGE deductibles. I presume that most of the accidents have been in low time planes. If so, the high loss to premium problem will probably be self correcting as the number of planes flying increases. In the meantime, perhaps the insurance companies can be persuaded to look at the loss experience among the older planes and adjust their premiums accordingly for these planes. For those of us who crash in new planes, the problem is mostly academic anyway. Just depend on your mortgage insurance.