Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 12/17/1998 - 18:32 Forums: LML Archive From: Pieter Pienaar <Pine [at] CPro.co.za> Subject: LC20 Leveling the Fus Update Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 20:32:05 +0200 To: LancairList <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi All Please note that I bought my plane second hand and that the nose wheel well is already installed into the fus. I don't know if that was done at the factory or by the first owner. This nose wheel well covers the center hole in the firewall. Hope this clears up the confusion. Pine Pienaar pine [at] cpro.co.za Lancair 360 #664 [Pine... the nosegear tunnel should not interfere with the alignment mark on the front of the firewall in any way. I'm not at the shop right now but I seem to remember that the two lines which were drawn at the factory to indicate the leveling point crossed at 8" below the top of the firewall. With the fuselage inverted and level across the longerons, the vertical line should be plumb and running down the center of the firewall. The horizontal line should now be 8" up from the (inverted) top of the firewall. The water level will allow you to get that point and the line which the instructions tells you to draw 5" down on the side of the aft fuselage to be at the same level. I hope this helps with your problem. <M>] LC20 Leveling the Fus Update Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 12/17/1998 - 18:52 From: Curtis Krouse <ckrouse [at] worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: LC20 Leveling the Fus Update Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:52:05 -0600 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Pine, The manual that came with the fast build kit shows the front to back level reference as the longerons. With the fus inverted it should be rested on two sawhorses. One under the forward longerons and one under the rear longeron. You can use a water level to check the front to back level and shim as necessary. The side to side level can be measured on the front longeron underneath while the fus is inverted at the FS position where the foam blocks (main spar spacers) are attached to the fus. The only thing the firewall is used for in the FB manuals is to find the center string line for the fus. I haven't done any of this yet, but have read that section of the manual about 10 times and this is my understanding of the process. I hope this helps. Curtis Krouse N753K LC20 Leveling the Fus Update Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 12/18/1998 - 01:09 From: Curtis Krouse <ckrouse [at] worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: LC20 Leveling the Fus Update Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:09:14 -0600 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Marv, Thanks a bunch....you are absolutely correct. Thank God I'm not going to try to build this thing without a set of manuals!! HAHA. The process you described below is the correct way. I also checked out the blueprints and the level hole is referenced on the firewall prints. I suppose that Pine could use that to triangulate the position of the hole to level his fuselage. The drawings are full scale so the dimension from the nose gear tunnel should be easy to measure. Thanks again for correcting me Marv. ;) Curtis -----Original Message----- From: Marvin Kaye <marvkaye [at] olsusa.com> To: Curtis Krouse <ckrouse [at] worldnet.att.net> Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 7:49 PM Subject: Re: LC20 Leveling the Fus Update >Hi Curtis, > >I see that you've read through the leveling procedure a number of times, >but your recollection of the process isn't quite correct. In Chapter 3, >step 5 says that you level the aircraft in the roll axis by leveling the >longerons from side to side. To level the fuselage in the pitch axis >(front to rear) you use the mark which is located where the 2 lines cross >on the front of the firewall as the front level point, and a mark which you >place 5" up from the inside bottom of the fuselage on the side as the rear >level point. You then use a water level to get those two points in the >same level plane. > >We should have the same manual pages, mine are dated in '91, and to my >knowledge there hasn't been an update to that section at all. The process >outlined in step 5 works just fine. There is no guarantee that the >longerons will be perfectly level from front to rear when the fuselage is >inverted and leveled according to the manual. > > <Marv> LC20 Leveling the Fus Update Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 12/18/1998 - 06:19 From: Pieter Pienaar <Pine [at] CPro.co.za> Subject: Re: LC20 Leveling the Fus Update Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:19:53 +0200 To: LancairList <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi Marv Thanks, this is the way to go. I did read the plan a couple of times but never thought of using the clear tube method to get it level. Thanks this should make it a breeze. "Even Houdini can do this, and without mirrors, :) " Pine Pienaar pine [at] cpro.co.za Lancair 360 #664 >From Marv Kaye, 12/17/98 >>> HI Pine... I just thought I'd check with you to see if you solved your leveling problem. I would recommend you re-read step 5 in the manual (Chapter 3) where it defines the process. The longerons are used to level the fuselage in the roll axis. The mark that you're looking for on the firewall is on the front (engine side) not the inside where the nosegear tunnel is. The water level lets you establish the level plane from front to rear... there's a drawing in the manual regarding the location of the aft mark which goes 5" above the inside bottom of the rear of the fuselage, and placing one end of the water level at that mark and the other end at the junction of the + on the front of the firewall as I described earlier will get the fuselage level from front to rear (in the pitch axis.) If you're not familiar with the water level concept it's really quite simple... buy yourself about 25-30 feet of clear 3/8" or 1/2" hose. Fill it with water to within maybe 6-8" of each end. You can take one end of the hose and attach it someplace and then take the other end and attach it someplace else... the water will be at the same level at both ends of the hose. Try to keep air bubbles out of it when you fill it, as air bubbles will cause some inaccuracies with it as they are compressible when compared to water. The addition of a little bleach will soften the water and make the level more sensitive. I keep mine filled up all the time and attached to my stub wings (on the outside of the BL 50 ribs) from side to side to keep the fuselage level in the roll axis. That has really simplified doing the gear work. <Marv> <<<<<
LC20 Leveling the Fus Update Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 12/17/1998 - 18:52 From: Curtis Krouse <ckrouse [at] worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: LC20 Leveling the Fus Update Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:52:05 -0600 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Pine, The manual that came with the fast build kit shows the front to back level reference as the longerons. With the fus inverted it should be rested on two sawhorses. One under the forward longerons and one under the rear longeron. You can use a water level to check the front to back level and shim as necessary. The side to side level can be measured on the front longeron underneath while the fus is inverted at the FS position where the foam blocks (main spar spacers) are attached to the fus. The only thing the firewall is used for in the FB manuals is to find the center string line for the fus. I haven't done any of this yet, but have read that section of the manual about 10 times and this is my understanding of the process. I hope this helps. Curtis Krouse N753K
LC20 Leveling the Fus Update Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 12/18/1998 - 01:09 From: Curtis Krouse <ckrouse [at] worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: LC20 Leveling the Fus Update Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:09:14 -0600 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Marv, Thanks a bunch....you are absolutely correct. Thank God I'm not going to try to build this thing without a set of manuals!! HAHA. The process you described below is the correct way. I also checked out the blueprints and the level hole is referenced on the firewall prints. I suppose that Pine could use that to triangulate the position of the hole to level his fuselage. The drawings are full scale so the dimension from the nose gear tunnel should be easy to measure. Thanks again for correcting me Marv. ;) Curtis -----Original Message----- From: Marvin Kaye <marvkaye [at] olsusa.com> To: Curtis Krouse <ckrouse [at] worldnet.att.net> Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 7:49 PM Subject: Re: LC20 Leveling the Fus Update >Hi Curtis, > >I see that you've read through the leveling procedure a number of times, >but your recollection of the process isn't quite correct. In Chapter 3, >step 5 says that you level the aircraft in the roll axis by leveling the >longerons from side to side. To level the fuselage in the pitch axis >(front to rear) you use the mark which is located where the 2 lines cross >on the front of the firewall as the front level point, and a mark which you >place 5" up from the inside bottom of the fuselage on the side as the rear >level point. You then use a water level to get those two points in the >same level plane. > >We should have the same manual pages, mine are dated in '91, and to my >knowledge there hasn't been an update to that section at all. The process >outlined in step 5 works just fine. There is no guarantee that the >longerons will be perfectly level from front to rear when the fuselage is >inverted and leveled according to the manual. > > <Marv>
LC20 Leveling the Fus Update Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 12/18/1998 - 06:19 From: Pieter Pienaar <Pine [at] CPro.co.za> Subject: Re: LC20 Leveling the Fus Update Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:19:53 +0200 To: LancairList <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi Marv Thanks, this is the way to go. I did read the plan a couple of times but never thought of using the clear tube method to get it level. Thanks this should make it a breeze. "Even Houdini can do this, and without mirrors, :) " Pine Pienaar pine [at] cpro.co.za Lancair 360 #664 >From Marv Kaye, 12/17/98 >>> HI Pine... I just thought I'd check with you to see if you solved your leveling problem. I would recommend you re-read step 5 in the manual (Chapter 3) where it defines the process. The longerons are used to level the fuselage in the roll axis. The mark that you're looking for on the firewall is on the front (engine side) not the inside where the nosegear tunnel is. The water level lets you establish the level plane from front to rear... there's a drawing in the manual regarding the location of the aft mark which goes 5" above the inside bottom of the rear of the fuselage, and placing one end of the water level at that mark and the other end at the junction of the + on the front of the firewall as I described earlier will get the fuselage level from front to rear (in the pitch axis.) If you're not familiar with the water level concept it's really quite simple... buy yourself about 25-30 feet of clear 3/8" or 1/2" hose. Fill it with water to within maybe 6-8" of each end. You can take one end of the hose and attach it someplace and then take the other end and attach it someplace else... the water will be at the same level at both ends of the hose. Try to keep air bubbles out of it when you fill it, as air bubbles will cause some inaccuracies with it as they are compressible when compared to water. The addition of a little bleach will soften the water and make the level more sensitive. I keep mine filled up all the time and attached to my stub wings (on the outside of the BL 50 ribs) from side to side to keep the fuselage level in the roll axis. That has really simplified doing the gear work. <Marv> <<<<<
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