Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 11/10/1998 - 18:23 Forums: LML Archive From: Dan Schaefer <dfschaefer [at] usa.net> Subject: attitude sensors Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:23:43 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Graham Nutt asked about a type of attitude sensor that was developed about 25 years ago by some of the model airplane crowd. If I remember correctly, it was developed by a couple of fellows in the Washington, DC area and, judging from how abruptly they disappeared from view, I'm betting they were immediately sucked into the black hole of secrecy. Either that or the concepts just didn't work out - though I'm sure I remember them reporting successfully flying a model using the sensors for autopilot input. (I believe they were actually from Silver Springs, MD (?) but it's been quite a while.) If anyone can dig up the information about those tests, it would probably be the Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA) at their offices in (I think) Wash., DC. You could pick up a copy of their magazine at a bookstore or from a member and the get the contact info there. I'm sure they could search their magazine data base for the article. One thing that might help the search however; the sensors you mention detected the vertical voltage gradient in the atmosphere and it's differential from widely spaced sensors (like wing-tip to wing-tip or nose to tail) to sense roll and pitch rather than a magnetic parameter. Hope you have success in your efforts. Dan Schaefer N235SP (Note: AMA Headquarters 5151 East Memorial Drive Muncie, IN 47302 (765)-287-1256 http://www.modelaircraft.org <Marv>) attitude sensors Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 11/11/1998 - 15:41 From: Daniel M. Olsen <olsen [at] eai.com> Subject: Re: attitude sensors Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:41:20 -0700 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I remember seeing a video of the guys flying their R/C model with the electrostatic sensors on the wingtips, nose and tail. It was quite impressive. I used to work for Rockwell-Collins (avionics) and a couple guys there knew the people who were doing the experiments. The big drawback is that the sensors measure the electrostatic field of the earth. You can think of this field as concentric shells around the earth. However, geographic features disturb this field. The field wants to be parallel to the ground. When you introduce things like mountains the field "bends". So, if you fly near a mountain, an autopilot connected to these sensors would think that following the contour of the mountain is level :) Dan -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Daniel M. Olsen 970.225.8104 phone Principal Software Engineer 970.690.1848 cellular Engineering Animation, Inc. 888.390.7339 fax http://www.eai.com olsen [at] eai.com
attitude sensors Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 11/11/1998 - 15:41 From: Daniel M. Olsen <olsen [at] eai.com> Subject: Re: attitude sensors Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:41:20 -0700 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I remember seeing a video of the guys flying their R/C model with the electrostatic sensors on the wingtips, nose and tail. It was quite impressive. I used to work for Rockwell-Collins (avionics) and a couple guys there knew the people who were doing the experiments. The big drawback is that the sensors measure the electrostatic field of the earth. You can think of this field as concentric shells around the earth. However, geographic features disturb this field. The field wants to be parallel to the ground. When you introduce things like mountains the field "bends". So, if you fly near a mountain, an autopilot connected to these sensors would think that following the contour of the mountain is level :) Dan -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Daniel M. Olsen 970.225.8104 phone Principal Software Engineer 970.690.1848 cellular Engineering Animation, Inc. 888.390.7339 fax http://www.eai.com olsen [at] eai.com
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