Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 11/06/2000 - 02:20 Forums: LML Archive From: Walter Dodson <coy0te [at] earthlink.net> Subject: Fuel Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:20:30 -0800 To: LancairList <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I hate to even think of getting into this but here goes... I would never in a million years put mogas or auto gas or whaterver you choose to call it into any machine I'm going to fly. I guess we all know alcohol has an affinity for water but the surprising thing I found in far North flying is that kerosene does too. Jet airliners have fuel heaters to prevent ice crystals forming in the filters, lines or servos. I had a right engine flame out on final to Sondrestromfiord in a Paris II in November, 1974. That was a strong lession about cold weather flying. The MS 760 did not require Prist additive but we sure started using the stuff after that. I flew the Bell 212 and DHC-6 in Alaska the winter of 1982-3 thanks to the P&W Pt-6, which will burn perfume if you can afford it. Luckily, most of my flying was commercial where only the best of everything is mandated. I have my skin to attest to the quality of the parts, fuel and service we received. The dollar saved on cheap fuel is at best a gamble and at worst a foolish life threatening mistake. I have spent my life in aviation of the certificated variety and hope to transfer that knowledge to our Lancair IV-P. It only makes sense. Now, I want you to vote for... Walter Dodson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye [at] olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fuel Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 11/06/2000 - 15:39 From: Ian B. Crowe <ian.crowe [at] sympatico.ca> Subject: Fuel Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:39:34 -0500 To: Marvin Kaye <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I was responsible at one time for the operations of a railroad in sub artic Canada. Winter time temperatures were regularly in the negative 30's F. Our locomotives were equipped with fuel oil heaters to prevent the build up of fuel wax which forms at those temperatures. This wax formation would/could stop a 3600hp locomotive and from then on in life became a misery. Coolant had to be drained at once as it is dangerous to run a diesel with antifreeze and if it froze the engine the cost was horrible. Also a cold soaked large diesel engine is impossible to start. You have to put it into a heated barn and bring it up to well above freezing before it will oblige you with a start. I suspect that small aircraft diesels have a way to go in cold starting and restarting at low temperatures when you consider that the only source of combustion initiation is the heat created by the compression of the air in the cylinder. Regards Ian Crowe I suspect that Walter Dodson had fuel wax when his engine quit on him. Ice cyrstals (water) should not be present in the quantities necessary to plug a fuel line or filter and water would freeze very quickly, long before fuel wax forms. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye [at] olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fuel Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 08/07/2014 - 23:24 From: Greenbacks, UnLtd. <n4zq [at] verizon.net> Subject: Fuel Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 19:24:34 -0400 To: Lisa Williams <lisaw [at] lancair.com> Cc: List Lancair Mailing <lml [at] lancaironline.net> Hi Lisa, Im not comfortable forwarding confidential information in any unencrypted format. I have no problem giving Butler the card details on arrival. Angier Ames N4ZQ
Fuel Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 11/06/2000 - 15:39 From: Ian B. Crowe <ian.crowe [at] sympatico.ca> Subject: Fuel Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 10:39:34 -0500 To: Marvin Kaye <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I was responsible at one time for the operations of a railroad in sub artic Canada. Winter time temperatures were regularly in the negative 30's F. Our locomotives were equipped with fuel oil heaters to prevent the build up of fuel wax which forms at those temperatures. This wax formation would/could stop a 3600hp locomotive and from then on in life became a misery. Coolant had to be drained at once as it is dangerous to run a diesel with antifreeze and if it froze the engine the cost was horrible. Also a cold soaked large diesel engine is impossible to start. You have to put it into a heated barn and bring it up to well above freezing before it will oblige you with a start. I suspect that small aircraft diesels have a way to go in cold starting and restarting at low temperatures when you consider that the only source of combustion initiation is the heat created by the compression of the air in the cylinder. Regards Ian Crowe I suspect that Walter Dodson had fuel wax when his engine quit on him. Ice cyrstals (water) should not be present in the quantities necessary to plug a fuel line or filter and water would freeze very quickly, long before fuel wax forms. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye [at] olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Fuel Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 08/07/2014 - 23:24 From: Greenbacks, UnLtd. <n4zq [at] verizon.net> Subject: Fuel Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 19:24:34 -0400 To: Lisa Williams <lisaw [at] lancair.com> Cc: List Lancair Mailing <lml [at] lancaironline.net> Hi Lisa, Im not comfortable forwarding confidential information in any unencrypted format. I have no problem giving Butler the card details on arrival. Angier Ames N4ZQ
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