Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 11/11/1998 - 17:00 Forums: LML Archive From: Marvin Kaye <marvkaye [at] olsusa.com> Subject: Converting to a MKII tail Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:00:34 -0500 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Posted for "Bo Thisted" <thisted [at] interserv.com>" This question is for a Lancair 360 with the small tail. I am contemplating a purchase of a 360 with the smaller tail. I would like to know if it is possible/ feasable to install a MK II tail instead. If so, how complex and time consuming would this be? Also, since I am not the original builder, would I be able to perform the work myself. If not, where would I have to go to have this done ? Can I use some of the builders out there or must it be done by an A/P. I appreciate any input you may have. Thank you in advance. Bo Thisted thisted [at] interserv.com Converting to a MKII tail Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 11/12/1998 - 05:13 From: Doug Waddingham <DougWaddingham [at] worldnet.att.net> Subject: Converting to a MKII tail Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:13:57 -0700 To: Lancair List <Lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Posting for Bo Thisted who asked about converting to a MKII tail. Bo - yes it is possible to convert from the small to the big tail. It's not going to be easy though and I doubt it is something I would do myself. I bought a kit in '96 and all they offered was the MKII tail so I didn't have a choice. If I did though I think I may have opted for the smaller tail. Friends of mine who are flying say it is just fine although I think getting some dual from Don Goetz up in Redmond would prbably be a good thing to do. Some considerations: (1) Are the antennae glassed into the existing H. Stab? If so you'll need to find another location for them as the MKII is made of carbon fiber and they won't work in that material. (2) The "saddle" on which the stab sits is not large enough for the new stab with the result that you will need to do major surgery to get it to fit. I think this will also affect your vertical stab and rudder as well. I'm still in the first half of the building process myself but the modification you propose seems to me to be about as complex as they get. I believe it would take a considerable amount of time although someone with more experience than me might find it an interesting challenge. Good luck and happy flying Doug Converting to a MKII tail Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 11/12/1998 - 15:52 From: Marvin Kaye <marvkaye [at] olsusa.com> Subject: Converting to a MKII tail Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:52:08 -0500 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Posted for "bobjude" <bobjude [at] gateway.net>: I agree with Doug Waddinghan concerning his comments about the small tail. The small tail flies just fine. Trying to convert an existing small tail to the MKII tail is major surgery. Bob Jude N65BJ Converting to a MKII tail Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 11/12/1998 - 20:59 From: Martin Quartim <martinq [at] cris.com> Subject: Re: Converting to a MKII tail Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:59:24 -0500 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I talked to some L-320 pilots about the MK II tail and here is what I heard: 1- "Oh you couldn't tell the difference..." 2- "It is a bit scary when you are taking off and climbing, the nose goes where it wants..." 3- "I have the small tail and I think it is OK, but you should get the MK II tail if you can, you will loose just a few knots but you get more pitch authority for landings and take offs and better horizontal stability for cross country" I think a few less knots is a small price to pay for a safer and more comfortable cross country aircraft. What is the total speed loss 1,2..3kts? I am considering to purchase an L-360 Fast built kit with small tail. The current owner bought the kit around 89 and has done nothing to it. I understand I can purchase the MK-II tail, outback gear, wing tips and the new epoxy and use with this older FB kit. What I am not sure of is if there are any differences between an 1989 L-320/360 FB and the newer L-320/360 MK II Super FB? Also I understand that the newer kits come with a lot more work done. Can some one speculate how much time and work will I save if I get a new kit as opposed to the older one? Is the quality and fitting of parts of new kits any better then 1989 kits? Happy Landings, Martin
Converting to a MKII tail Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 11/12/1998 - 05:13 From: Doug Waddingham <DougWaddingham [at] worldnet.att.net> Subject: Converting to a MKII tail Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 22:13:57 -0700 To: Lancair List <Lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Posting for Bo Thisted who asked about converting to a MKII tail. Bo - yes it is possible to convert from the small to the big tail. It's not going to be easy though and I doubt it is something I would do myself. I bought a kit in '96 and all they offered was the MKII tail so I didn't have a choice. If I did though I think I may have opted for the smaller tail. Friends of mine who are flying say it is just fine although I think getting some dual from Don Goetz up in Redmond would prbably be a good thing to do. Some considerations: (1) Are the antennae glassed into the existing H. Stab? If so you'll need to find another location for them as the MKII is made of carbon fiber and they won't work in that material. (2) The "saddle" on which the stab sits is not large enough for the new stab with the result that you will need to do major surgery to get it to fit. I think this will also affect your vertical stab and rudder as well. I'm still in the first half of the building process myself but the modification you propose seems to me to be about as complex as they get. I believe it would take a considerable amount of time although someone with more experience than me might find it an interesting challenge. Good luck and happy flying Doug
Converting to a MKII tail Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 11/12/1998 - 15:52 From: Marvin Kaye <marvkaye [at] olsusa.com> Subject: Converting to a MKII tail Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:52:08 -0500 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Posted for "bobjude" <bobjude [at] gateway.net>: I agree with Doug Waddinghan concerning his comments about the small tail. The small tail flies just fine. Trying to convert an existing small tail to the MKII tail is major surgery. Bob Jude N65BJ
Converting to a MKII tail Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 11/12/1998 - 20:59 From: Martin Quartim <martinq [at] cris.com> Subject: Re: Converting to a MKII tail Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 15:59:24 -0500 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I talked to some L-320 pilots about the MK II tail and here is what I heard: 1- "Oh you couldn't tell the difference..." 2- "It is a bit scary when you are taking off and climbing, the nose goes where it wants..." 3- "I have the small tail and I think it is OK, but you should get the MK II tail if you can, you will loose just a few knots but you get more pitch authority for landings and take offs and better horizontal stability for cross country" I think a few less knots is a small price to pay for a safer and more comfortable cross country aircraft. What is the total speed loss 1,2..3kts? I am considering to purchase an L-360 Fast built kit with small tail. The current owner bought the kit around 89 and has done nothing to it. I understand I can purchase the MK-II tail, outback gear, wing tips and the new epoxy and use with this older FB kit. What I am not sure of is if there are any differences between an 1989 L-320/360 FB and the newer L-320/360 MK II Super FB? Also I understand that the newer kits come with a lot more work done. Can some one speculate how much time and work will I save if I get a new kit as opposed to the older one? Is the quality and fitting of parts of new kits any better then 1989 kits? Happy Landings, Martin
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