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From: billhogarty <billhogarty [at] hughes.net>
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Subject: IPAD
Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 07:59:44 -0500
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Does anyone know if adding an external GPS (bad elf) to a 3G IPAD would give you

a moving map position on an approach chart?  Thanks

IPAD

From: Robert Mitchell <mitchell715 [at] gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] IPAD
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 07:40:02 -0500
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Bill,

Adding an external GPS will only make the signal "stronger".



  To get your position on approach plates you need to subscribe to a service that provides "geo-referenced plates for the iPad.  The only one I know of is WingX who uses plates from Seattle Avionics.  Their service is a little pricey as they charge $98 a year for their service, plus another $99 for the Seattle Avionics plates.  The reason for georefferenced charts is that they are different scales, unlike a sectional.  So, each plate needs at least two points with a firm lat - long position.  I have both fore flight and wingx, I keep hoping fore flight will get geo-reffed plates, the rumor is that they are working on it.  



Wingx works fine, but I think fore flight is better for planning, and they have moving map sectionals, low and high altitude IFR charts.



My 3G IPad works great with both Foreflight and WingX.  Your position on an approach plate is great for situational awareness, you still need to watch the needles to shoot the approach.



Bob Mitchell



Sent from my iPad



On Dec 4, 2010, at 6:59 AM, billhogarty <billhogarty [at] hughes.net> wrote:



> Does anyone know if adding an external GPS (bad elf) to a 3G IPAD would give you

> a moving map position on an approach chart?  Thanks

>

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From: Don Parsons <parsons.don [at] gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] IPAD
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 07:40:02 -0500
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Since I do not have a Bad Elf GPS, I have done a little research.



You will note that it says "The Bad Elf GPS provides location data to any and all apps that use Apple’s iOS Core Location framework.". That is a VERY good thing because the nav apps that are using GPS services do not have to do anything special to use this 3rd party GPS. This is also why this GPS does not require the iOS device to be jailbroken. So that tends to strongly suggest that if you are using a nav app that has moving map functionality with GPS, it will do so with either the built in GPS if it is present, or it will use the external GPS. Now, I have not tried using any iOS devices with 2 GPS options on-line at the same time. So I do not know if iOS gives the user a way to select which GPS will be used. You will notice that they list a lot of specific apps, and they are grouped by category. One of the categories is Aviation.

Also, if you go to the FAQ page, you will notice some questions with interesting answers given our interests.


Note the answers to:

"How accurate is the Bad Elf GPS Receiver?"
"Is the Bad Elf GPS Receiver better than the iPad/iPhone internal GPS?"

"Does it work at the high altitudes and high speeds of aviation use?"

"What do I need to use my iPad or iPod touch for car/marine/aviation navigation?"

An additional point, the App you would be using would need to have the map data locally in the iPads local storage. Since you won't have Internet service over 3G.


On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:59 AM, billhogarty <billhogarty [at] hughes.net

>
wrote:

Does anyone know if adding an external GPS (bad elf) to a 3G IPAD would give you

a moving map position on an approach chart?  Thanks


--

Don Parsons

IPAD

From: John Hafen <j.hafen [at] comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] IPAD
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2010 07:40:02 -0500
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

No.



That's a software (application) issue.



You only get moving map positioning on an approach chart if that feature is supported by the particular software application you are using.



Receiving signals from the Satellite Bad Elf is a completely different, hardware issue.



John



On Dec 4, 2010, at 4:59 AM, billhogarty wrote:



Does anyone know if adding an external GPS (bad elf) to a 3G IPAD would give you

a moving map position on an approach chart?  Thanks



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From: Douglas Brunner <douglasbrunner [at] earthlink.net>
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Subject: RE: [LML] Re: IPAD
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 07:56:17 -0500
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

So, like many on the LML, I am thinking of purchasing an iPad with “accessories” and wanted to get some  advice.

 

·         Which iPad should I get?

I am thinking of the “WiFi model” with either 32 or 64 GB.  I intend to hook a separate GPS up to the iPad, so the presence or absence of GPS in the iPad itself is not an issue.  I figure getting more memory can’t hurt, although don’t know if it is necessary.  Thoughts?

 

·         What software is best?

Primarily, I want the iPad for approach plates and VFR and Low Altitude IFR charts.  Being able to geo reference to the plates or charts is a plus - but not necessary.  I also intend to use the iPad as a book/magazine/newspaper reader. 

 

Here is a list of the various software systems that I have come up with, comments and additions to the list are welcome.

FlightPrep's iChart™ App

Foreflight

PDF Plates

Sky Charts

AeroCharts

Jeppesen Mobile TC

Flight Guide iEFB

 

·         Which GPS is best?

Would like to have one that communicates via Bluetooth or WiFi rather  than one that needs  to be attached directly to the iPad (like the Bad Elf) or needs a cord.

 

·         Any thoughts on mounting? 

I have a “RAM Mount” in my Legacy, which is mounted to the canopy of the left side of the cockpit.  I use it to hold my paper checklist and previously used it to hold a Sony PRS-505.  It is smaller than the iPad.

There is a product that combines the iPad with a kneeboard and writing surface:

http://www.forpilotsonly.com/ipad.htm   a little pricey, but another approach.

 

D. Brunner

Legacy N241DB – 500 hrs

 

 

 

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From: Bill Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com>
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Subject: IPAD
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 06:23:00 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>





Thanks to all who responded with info on IPAD apps.  I decided to give the 30 day free trials a go starting with WINGS X.  Hope to learn as I go.





Regards, Bill Hogarty











 from my iPad

IPAD

From: Danny Miller <danny.miller [at] verizon.net>
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Subject: RE: IPAD
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2011 18:32:24 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Be sure to report your findings back to the LML.



Danny Miller

N 38° 43' 25.7"

W 77° 30' 38.6"



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From: Bill Hogarty [billhogarty [at] gmail.com (mailto:)

]

Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 6:23 AM

To: lml [at] lancaironline.net

Subject: IPAD



 



Thanks to all who responded with info on IPAD apps.  I decided to give the

30 day free trials a go starting with WINGS X.  Hope to learn as I go.





Regards, Bill Hogarty











 from my iPad



IPAD

From: Rob Murawski <rob [at] robmurawski.com>
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Subject: RE: [LML] Re: IPAD
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:49:54 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

I recently downloaded the evaluation versions of both Foreflight and WingX

to test them side-by-side.



My primary purpose was to find a nice flight planner that I could use on the

go.  I also wanted to be able to reference approach charts in flight so I

wouldn't have to page through the book all the time or switch approach chart

books en route.



I liked the Foreflight interface much better.  I also liked that when you

buy it, you get a license to use it on one iPad *AND* one iPhone.  So if I

wanted to file while away from WiFi (I'm not paying for the iPad data plan)

I could do so from my phone.



For WingX, I did like the split screen, so I could have an approach up and

watch my position on the IFR en route chart.  I just didn't think I'd need

this feature this often.  WingX only supported ADS-B weather, while

Foreflight could download the radar image over the network.  WingX had

better overlays for weather, TFRs, etc on the charts themselves.  However,

WingX wasn't always correct in the TFR interpretation. When Obama was in

Shanksville, PA for the 9/11 memorial, it showed the first half of the TFR

over KPIT, but it never showed the second half over Shanksville, PA.  This

is probably an extreme case, but showed me I couldn't count on it.



I didn't really see myself using all of the in flight features.  WingX

supports Synthetic Vision, but you would really need an external AHARS to

make use of it well.  It also needed an ADS-B receiver to get the radar

images.  I did like that WingX would show me which airspaces I was in.

(Class B/class D/etc and floors/ceilings)  Granted, Foreflight won't show

weather in flight, but again, I was more interested in preflight planning.



My primary use was for preflight planning, filing, and reduction of paper.

Foreflight seemed much better for this purpose.  WingX seemed more like a

tool for use in the air.  When it comes to aerial navigation, I prefer the

systems installed in the aircraft.  I've had both applications crash on me

and, possibly, Foreflight crashed a bit more often. Generally related to

having a network, then having it disappear for a bit and it thinking it can

still download stuff. The crashes reduced once I bought a subscription and

could download chart data.



Disclaimer: I did all of my IFR training in a G1000-equipped 172.  So I'm a

bit spoiled at having a nice in-cockpit system to augment my situational

awareness.



-Rob





IPAD

From: Earl Schroeder <earleschroeder [at] yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPAD
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:49:54 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>





>From: Danny Miller <danny.miller [at] verizon.net>

  Danny wrote:

>Be sure to report your findings back to the LML.



At Oshkosh I visited the WingX booth and stood listening to a couple of 'demos'

by the 'programmer'.  He was convinced WingX could walk on water...



I couldn't decide if he was selling ipad 'twos' or aviation software.  He said

to get an ipad 'two' over and over.  Don't get a 'one' he said.  He promised

many 'improvements' were coming.  I've been to more than thirty Oshkosh sales

pitches in a row (years) so the pitch sounded very familiar.  I left wondering

why a 'two' was so much better than a 'one'???  And nearly forgot the aviation

part..  Perhaps, it is because I've been in the computer world for 50+ years.



That said, I've following this conversation closely and also interested in the

'findings'.



I'm a current user of AnyWhereMap with a lifetime subscription.. waiting for

Control Vision to offer something for the ipad. ;)

IPAD

From: John Hafen <j.hafen [at] comcast.net>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPAD
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:36:43 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Foreflight is $75 per year (about 12 gallons of 100ll).



Is it worth waiting for "something" from Control Vision?



I'm not connected with Foreflight any any way other than as a happy customer.  As I look at all the other expenses related to flying, $75/year for a subscription to Foreflight absolutely does not move the needle.  Neither,, for that matter, does the cost of an iPad or two (in case you drop one!).



It isn't an end all be all application, but I consider anything that gives me a bit more situational awareness well worth $75.









On Sep 28, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Earl Schroeder wrote:







> From: Danny Miller <danny.miller [at] verizon.net>

 Danny wrote:

> Be sure to report your findings back to the LML.



At Oshkosh I visited the WingX booth and stood listening to a couple of 'demos'

by the 'programmer'.  He was convinced WingX could walk on water...



I couldn't decide if he was selling ipad 'twos' or aviation software.  He said

to get an ipad 'two' over and over.  Don't get a 'one' he said.  He promised

many 'improvements' were coming.  I've been to more than thirty Oshkosh sales

pitches in a row (years) so the pitch sounded very familiar.  I left wondering

why a 'two' was so much better than a 'one'???  And nearly forgot the aviation

part..  Perhaps, it is because I've been in the computer world for 50+ years.



That said, I've following this conversation closely and also interested in the

'findings'.



I'm a current user of AnyWhereMap with a lifetime subscription.. waiting for

Control Vision to offer something for the ipad. ;)



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From: John Hafen <j.hafen [at] comcast.net>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPAD
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:36:43 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Foreflight currently does not display TFRs.



That capability is on a "futures list" for them.



John Hafen

IVP413AJ 350 hours







On Sep 28, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Rob Murawski wrote:



I recently downloaded the evaluation versions of both Foreflight and WingX

to test them side-by-side.



My primary purpose was to find a nice flight planner that I could use on the

go.  I also wanted to be able to reference approach charts in flight so I

wouldn't have to page through the book all the time or switch approach chart

books en route.



I liked the Foreflight interface much better.  I also liked that when you

buy it, you get a license to use it on one iPad *AND* one iPhone.  So if I

wanted to file while away from WiFi (I'm not paying for the iPad data plan)

I could do so from my phone.



For WingX, I did like the split screen, so I could have an approach up and

watch my position on the IFR en route chart.  I just didn't think I'd need

this feature this often.  WingX only supported ADS-B weather, while

Foreflight could download the radar image over the network.  WingX had

better overlays for weather, TFRs, etc on the charts themselves.  However,

WingX wasn't always correct in the TFR interpretation. When Obama was in

Shanksville, PA for the 9/11 memorial, it showed the first half of the TFR

over KPIT, but it never showed the second half over Shanksville, PA.  This

is probably an extreme case, but showed me I couldn't count on it.



I didn't really see myself using all of the in flight features.  WingX

supports Synthetic Vision, but you would really need an external AHARS to

make use of it well.  It also needed an ADS-B receiver to get the radar

images.  I did like that WingX would show me which airspaces I was in.

(Class B/class D/etc and floors/ceilings)  Granted, Foreflight won't show

weather in flight, but again, I was more interested in preflight planning.



My primary use was for preflight planning, filing, and reduction of paper.

Foreflight seemed much better for this purpose.  WingX seemed more like a

tool for use in the air.  When it comes to aerial navigation, I prefer the

systems installed in the aircraft.  I've had both applications crash on me

and, possibly, Foreflight crashed a bit more often. Generally related to

having a network, then having it disappear for a bit and it thinking it can

still download stuff. The crashes reduced once I bought a subscription and

could download chart data.



Disclaimer: I did all of my IFR training in a G1000-equipped 172.  So I'm a

bit spoiled at having a nice in-cockpit system to augment my situational

awareness.



-Rob







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From: Joseph Czabaranek <joeczabaranek [at] gmail.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPAD
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 18:25:17 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

DUATS has an app for iPhone that does display TFRs graphically.  It's free.  



Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 28, 2011, at 12:36 PM, John Hafen <j.hafen [at] comcast.net> wrote:



> Foreflight currently does not display TFRs.

>

> That capability is on a "futures list" for them.

>

> John Hafen

> IVP413AJ 350 hours

>

>

>

> On Sep 28, 2011, at 4:49 AM, Rob Murawski wrote:

>

> I recently downloaded the evaluation versions of both Foreflight and WingX

> to test them side-by-side.

>

> My primary purpose was to find a nice flight planner that I could use on the

> go.  I also wanted to be able to reference approach charts in flight so I

> wouldn't have to page through the book all the time or switch approach chart

> books en route.

>

> I liked the Foreflight interface much better.  I also liked that when you

> buy it, you get a license to use it on one iPad *AND* one iPhone.  So if I

> wanted to file while away from WiFi (I'm not paying for the iPad data plan)

> I could do so from my phone.

>

> For WingX, I did like the split screen, so I could have an approach up and

> watch my position on the IFR en route chart.  I just didn't think I'd need

> this feature this often.  WingX only supported ADS-B weather, while

> Foreflight could download the radar image over the network.  WingX had

> better overlays for weather, TFRs, etc on the charts themselves.  However,

> WingX wasn't always correct in the TFR interpretation. When Obama was in

> Shanksville, PA for the 9/11 memorial, it showed the first half of the TFR

> over KPIT, but it never showed the second half over Shanksville, PA.  This

> is probably an extreme case, but showed me I couldn't count on it.

>

> I didn't really see myself using all of the in flight features.  WingX

> supports Synthetic Vision, but you would really need an external AHARS to

> make use of it well.  It also needed an ADS-B receiver to get the radar

> images.  I did like that WingX would show me which airspaces I was in.

> (Class B/class D/etc and floors/ceilings)  Granted, Foreflight won't show

> weather in flight, but again, I was more interested in preflight planning.

>

> My primary use was for preflight planning, filing, and reduction of paper.

> Foreflight seemed much better for this purpose.  WingX seemed more like a

> tool for use in the air.  When it comes to aerial navigation, I prefer the

> systems installed in the aircraft.  I've had both applications crash on me

> and, possibly, Foreflight crashed a bit more often. Generally related to

> having a network, then having it disappear for a bit and it thinking it can

> still download stuff. The crashes reduced once I bought a subscription and

> could download chart data.

>

> Disclaimer: I did all of my IFR training in a G1000-equipped 172.  So I'm a

> bit spoiled at having a nice in-cockpit system to augment my situational

> awareness.

>

> -Rob

>

>

>

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iPad

From: Terrence O'Neill <troneill [at] charter.net>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: iPad
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:53:08 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

1 - I'm thinking an IPad 2 (or 3) wi-fi only, and Bad Elf.

Is anybody doing this?

Kind of complex to decide, as things are changing fast.



2 - What's the least expensive way to equip for IFR GPS approaches?

Attached is what I have so far.



Terrence

L235/320 N211Al

iPad

From: paul miller <paul [at] tbm700.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] iPad
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:14:41 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

On my ipad2 I have G3 service and really like it. It makes the ipad useful 99% of locations versus hotspots only.   I use it everywhere there isn't wi-fi: on the ramp, in the Legacy and in the car getting directions and email.   It is terrific and quite inexpensive and I've not run out of data using the ATT 250MB option for $15 which is a month-to-month plan.  Also, I have used the ipad in flight without the BadElf with excellent results because of the internal GPS device capability. In Canada, I simply swap out the sim card with a Bell sim for use at home.


On 2011-10-21, at 1:53 PM, Terrence O'Neill wrote:



1 - I'm thinking an IPad 2 (or 3) wi-fi only, and Bad Elf.
Is anybody doing this?
Kind of complex to decide, as things are changing fast.


iPad

From: John Barrett <jbarrett [at] carbinge.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] iPad
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2011 16:14:41 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

iPad is great with Foreflight.  Probably great with WingXPro also.  I prefer

the Dual GPS instead of the Bad Elf.  Same price - More convenient.  Blue

tooth unattached to iPad - just put it on your dash.  However, you could

spend a little extra cash to buy the 3G iPad and then not spend $100 on the

GPS.  Then you can be georeferenced I think even without a internet

subscription.  Hope others will chime in here.  Not sure of this.



For any IFR actual, I'm concerned about where your backup instruments are.



Don't know the cheapest road to GPS WAAS capability, but I just upgraded my

Beech Sierra to a GNS 430W and am very pleased with it.  Cost $10K all in

and I got some bargain pricing.  Not cheap but nice to have the old airplane

upgraded to current technology.



John Barrett



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] On Behalf Of

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Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:53 PM

To: lml [at] lancaironline.net

Subject: [LML] iPad



1 - I'm thinking an IPad 2 (or 3) wi-fi only, and Bad Elf.

Is anybody doing this?

Kind of complex to decide, as things are changing fast.



2 - What's the least expensive way to equip for IFR GPS approaches?

Attached is what I have so far.



Terrence

L235/320 N211Al



iPad

From: Berni Breen <bbreen [at] cableone.net>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:28:18 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Don't need internet subscription to be geo-referenced with ForeFlight



Berni P Breen

bbreen [at] cableone.net

cell: (228) 342-2521



On Sat Oct 22 15:14 , 'John Barrett' <jbarrett [at] carbinge.com> sent:



>iPad is great with Foreflight.  Probably great with WingXPro also.  I prefer

>the Dual GPS instead of the Bad Elf.  Same price - More convenient.  Blue

>tooth unattached to iPad - just put it on your dash.  However, you could

>spend a little extra cash to buy the 3G iPad and then not spend $100 on the

>GPS.  Then you can be georeferenced I think even without a internet

>subscription.  Hope others will chime in here.  Not sure of this.

>

>For any IFR actual, I'm concerned about where your backup instruments are.

>

>Don't know the cheapest road to GPS WAAS capability, but I just upgraded my

>Beech Sierra to a GNS 430W and am very pleased with it.  Cost $10K all in

>and I got some bargain pricing.  Not cheap but nice to have the old airplane

>upgraded to current technology.

>

>John Barrett

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Lancair Mailing List [lml [at] lancaironline.net','','','')">lml [at] lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of

>Terrence O'Neill

>Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 12:53 PM

>To: lml [at] lancaironline.net

>Subject: [LML] iPad

>

>1 - I'm thinking an IPad 2 (or 3) wi-fi only, and Bad Elf.

>Is anybody doing this?

>Kind of complex to decide, as things are changing fast.

>

>2 - What's the least expensive way to equip for IFR GPS approaches?

>Attached is what I have so far.

>

>Terrence

>L235/320 N211Al

>

>

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From: Berni Breen <bbreen [at] cableone.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:28:18 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

I totally concur with paul's message.  The way to go is IPad with 3G (mistake to go without 3G) and BadElf.  The 250 MB plan is enough

as long as you do not go web surfing too much.  Video watching out of a WiFi environment is a big no no.



Berni P Breen

bbreen [at] cableone.net

cell: (228) 342-2521



On Sat Oct 22 15:14 , paul miller <paul [at] tbm700.com> sent:



>On my ipad2 I have G3 service and really like it. It makes the ipad useful 99% of locations versus hotspots only. ?? I use it everywhere

there isn't wi-fi: on the ramp, in the Legacy and in the car getting directions and email. ?? It is terrific and quite inexpensive and I've not run

out of data using the ATT 250MB option for $15 which is a month-to-month plan. ??Also, I have used the ipad in flight without the BadElf

with excellent results because of the internal GPS device capability. In Canada, I simply swap out the sim card with a Bell sim for use at

home.

>On 2011-10-21, at 1:53 PM, Terrence O'Neill wrote:1 - I'm thinking an IPad 2 (or 3) wi-fi only, and Bad Elf.

>Is anybody doing this?

>Kind of complex to decide, as things are changing fast.

>

>



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From: Terrence O'Neill <troneill [at] charter.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:28:18 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Thanks, Paul.

Terrence

iPad

From: Terrence O'Neill <troneill [at] charter.net>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 21:28:18 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Thanks John.

Terrence



iPad

From: Terrence O'Neill <troneill [at] charter.net>
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Thanks, Berni.

Terrence

iPad

From: Gary Fitzgerald <gbfitz [at] swbell.net>
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Terrence,



2)  To legally do GPS approaches, you need a panel mounted GPS receiver.

First figure out whether or not you'll want/need WAAS.  Yes it gives you

options, but you may just discover that the surrounding weather pattern may

keep you on the ground or out of the area.  If you don't need WAAS, the

solution may be as simple as adding a Garmin GPS-155XL or Bendix-King

KLN-89B or KLN-94.  The Garmin is out of production but still available on

used avionics sites.  If you do need WAAS approach capability, you could

probably get by with a Garmin GPS-400W (GPS only version of the 430),

although you may just want to upgrade to a 430, since you'll get a

glideslope receiver as a side benefit.



Gary Fitzgerald

LNC2 ~70%

St. Charles, MO

Looking for a good deal on

a rebuildable (I)O-360







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1 - I'm thinking an IPad 2 (or 3) wi-fi only, and Bad Elf.

Is anybody doing this?

Kind of complex to decide, as things are changing fast.



2 - What's the least expensive way to equip for IFR GPS approaches?

Attached is what I have so far.



Terrence

L235/320 N211Al



iPad

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Just published in today's AvwebFlash email regarding Ipads that have been upgraded to their latest software version iOS5:


Here Today, Gone When You're Over Capacity



IPADS CAN DELETE CHARTS, PLATES

(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/2041-full.html#205619)

Those who use iPads for charts and approach plates are advised to

pre-flight their devices before counting on them for navigation,

thanks to Apple's latest operating system upgrade. iOS5 includes a

file management feature that might be handy if you're downloading a

movie, but could be inconvenient at the very least if it messes with

your navigation-app databases. In an explanation

(http://blog.foreflight.com/2011/10/14/flying-with-foreflight-and-ios-5/)

on its website, flight-planning app provider ForeFlight says iOS5 will

randomly delete data to make room for new files and that could include

your charts and approach plates. The iPad does display a "cleaning"

symbol by the app icon that it's busily deleting data from but that

can be easy to miss. ForeFlight recommends several strategies to keep

you from discovering that the latest Transformers has pre-empted the

information you now need for your flight.

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/2041-full.html#205619



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iPad

From: Terrence O'Neill <troneill [at] charter.net>
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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 14:47:03 -0400
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Gary,



To legally fly IFR GPS approaches, don't I need either RAIM or WAAS?

And would an iPad with +3G qualify if I mounted it to the panel? --- and added BadElf?



I don't understand this:

>

> ... whether or not you'll want/need WAAS.  Yes it gives you

> options, but you may just discover that the surrounding weather pattern may

> keep you on the ground or out of the area.  If you don't need WAAS,



Are you saying one could legally fly GPS IFR approaches without RAIM or WAAS?

Or just that I can fly IFR GPS but not the approaches?

It's the approaches I'm interested in.



Did you go to Branson?  I was disappointed in GAMI's talk, and was hoping to ask George some questions.



Did the "Fly Girls Restaurant" close,  at Smartt? We enjoyed flying over there from Greenville IL.



Thanks for the info...



Terrence

LNC2 120%/(hours) now.

N211AL





iPad

From: Gary Fitzgerald <gbfitz [at] swbell.net>
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Subject: [LML] Re: iPad
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 07:50:14 -0400
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Terrence,



Ah - once again, my less-than-adequate explanation has caused confusion.  To

clarify:



In order to legally fly IFR GPS approaches, your equipment needs to meet

TSO-C129a Class A1 for non-precision approaches, or TSO C-146a Class 3 for

use as primary navigation on LPV approaches (which are only available if you

have WAAS).  C129a references RAIM directly, and C146a references several

other documents, and I'm betting one of them has a RAIM reference.  The last

time I checked (which admittedly was several months ago), no handheld GPS or

tablet/laptop/smart phone/PDA based GPS and software combination was

certified to either C129a or 146a, and the only GPS receivers that were

certified to these standards were panel-mount receivers, among them the ones

that I mentioned.  C129a has a bunch of stuff about integrity alarms,

notifications, and annunciations, and C146a has a section on software

qualification, so I'm guessing that situation hasn't changed.



As I understand it (and I could be wrong here), RAIM applies to both WAAS

and non-WAAS approaches.  If a combination of satellite geometry and

satellite/ground station outages can't guarantee a certain accuracy, a WAAS

LPV approach will get downgraded to an LNAV (reduced-precision) approach.



You now know everything I know about TSOs, GPS receivers, and IFR

approaches. Hopefully this clarifies my previous reply.  If not, we may need

Brent to bring his sock puppets and educate both of us.



I was at Branson also, and I was hoping the GAMI talk would have covered

more engine operation, but I must say I learned more about combining benzene

rings and carbon atoms to make either solvent or gasoline than any time

since high-school chemistry, and was informative as to the economics of a

100LL replacement. May give me a project to work on when I finally finish

this plane.



That restaurant at Smartt Field changes ownership on pretty much a yearly

basis, which is a shame since they usually had some decent food.  Since the

local EAA chapter moved their meetings from Sunday afternoon to Saturday

morning, my attendance has, uh, sorta fallen off, so I don't get to the

restaurant as much as I have in the past, but I can't remember that

restaurant going more that 3 years under the same ownership.





Gary Fitzgerald

LNC2 ~70%

St. Charles, MO

Looking for a good deal on

a rebuildable (I)O-360





iPad

From: Terrence O'Neill <troneill [at] charter.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 14:01:22 -0400
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Hah!  Gary, a multitude of thanks for your efforts to comb straight the curley-cues of C129a and C146a regulations regarding all the details and nuances of  safe GPS approaches.



So, in the FAQs at the hiltonsoftware site for WingX ($100)in an iPad2 ($500) , it says the Seattle Avionics  is the only company to have the "...FAA certify their approach chart geo-referencing data for AeroNav (NACO) charts ($75).

It also says those charts enable WingX to display the aircraft's position on the approach charts" using a SkyRadar ($1000) WAAS enabled ADS-B receiver.

After reading the 14 pages of GPS in small type in my AIM, I'm awash in qualifications and caveats.

So what else would be needed if the loaded iPad and the SkyRadar receiver were mounted to the panel?  An FAA guy with a rubber 'certified' stamp?

I think I'm missing something....

Maybe I could just return to the ADF equipment and approaches of old, which we used in the Navy in tghe early '50s before Omni was invented.  Is AFD more accurate and safe than a hand-held GPS?



 : )



Terrence





On Oct 25, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Gary Fitzgerald wrote:

c

> Terrence,

>

> Ah - once again, my less-than-adequate explanation has caused confusion.  To

> clarify:

>

> In order to legally fly IFR GPS approaches, your equipment needs to meet

> TSO-C129a Class A1 for non-precision approaches, or TSO C-146a Class 3 for

> use as primary navigation on LPV approaches (which are only available if you

> have WAAS).  C129a references RAIM directly, and C146a references several

> other documents, and I'm betting one of them has a RAIM reference.  The last

> time I checked (which admittedly was several months ago), no handheld GPS or

> tablet/laptop/smart phone/PDA based GPS and software combination was

> certified to either C129a or 146a, and the only GPS receivers that were

> certified to these standards were panel-mount receivers, among them the ones

> that I mentioned.  C129a has a bunch of stuff about integrity alarms,

> notifications, and annunciations, and C146a has a section on software

> qualification, so I'm guessing that situation hasn't changed.

>

> As I understand it (and I could be wrong here), RAIM applies to both WAAS

> and non-WAAS approaches.  If a combination of satellite geometry and

> satellite/ground station outages can't guarantee a certain accuracy, a WAAS

> LPV approach will get downgraded to an LNAV (reduced-precision) approach.

>

> You now know everything I know about TSOs, GPS receivers, and IFR

> approaches. Hopefully this clarifies my previous reply.  If not, we may need

> Brent to bring his sock puppets and educate both of us.

>

> I was at Branson also, and I was hoping the GAMI talk would have covered

> more engine operation, but I must say I learned more about combining benzene

> rings and carbon atoms to make either solvent or gasoline than any time

> since high-school chemistry, and was informative as to the economics of a

> 100LL replacement. May give me a project to work on when I finally finish

> this plane.

>

> That restaurant at Smartt Field changes ownership on pretty much a yearly

> basis, which is a shame since they usually had some decent food.  Since the

> local EAA chapter moved their meetings from Sunday afternoon to Saturday

> morning, my attendance has, uh, sorta fallen off, so I don't get to the

> restaurant as much as I have in the past, but I can't remember that

> restaurant going more that 3 years under the same ownership.

>

>

> Gary Fitzgerald

> LNC2 ~70%

> St. Charles, MO

> Looking for a good deal on

> a rebuildable (I)O-360

>

>

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IPad

From: William A. Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com>
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Subject: IPad
Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 09:56:12 -0400
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Has anyone found an IPad mounting system for the L-IV that works well.



Appreciate your thoughts.





Regards, Bill Hogarty

billhogarty [at] gmail.com

IPad

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Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 09:00:15 -0400
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Try this, http://www.gforcemount.com/.  It works anywhere on any aircraft.

I have one I use in my 360 and love it.



Danny

LNC2-360, 550 hours

N 38° 43' 25.7"

W 77° 30' 38.6"



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Has anyone found an IPad mounting system for the L-IV that works well.



Appreciate your thoughts.





Regards, Bill Hogarty

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Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in flight.



Thanks, Bill H







IPad

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Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 15:44:53 -0400
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Putting a glare reducing shield works fairly well.  



Sent from my iPhone



On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com> wrote:



>

> Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in flight.

>

> Thanks, Bill H

>

>

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IPad

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Subject: Re: [LML] IPad
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 08:27:40 -0400
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Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way

Ralph



On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com> wrote:



>

> Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in flight.

>

> Thanks, Bill H

>

>

>

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IPad

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 08:27:40 -0400
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Colyn, Ron,



Thanks for the suggestions.  I have the IPad brightness on full or are you suggesting that I turn the auto adjust feature on, in addition?



The Garmin Pilot app does have a brightness control which auto sets to full .  I surmise that it is primarily for night use.



Any recommendations for a glare screen?



Thanks, Bill H.





On May 15, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase [at] earthlink.net> wrote:



> is it not bright enough or are you getting glare?

>

> I think there is a plastic overlay with a matt finish that might help with the glare.

> I assume you have the brightness all the way up and if garmin has a brightness control you have that all the way up also?

>

> On May 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:

>

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in flight.

>

> Thanks, Bill H

>

>

>

>

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IPad

From: Colyn Case <colyncase [at] earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPad
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 10:47:14 -0400
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bill, 



I have a case-mate but haven't tried it yet.  I think I got it at the ATT phone store.
Most apple dealers carry a variety of anti-glare covers.

On May 16, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:



Colyn, Ron,

Thanks for the suggestions.  I have the IPad brightness on full or are you suggesting that I turn the auto adjust feature on, in addition?

The Garmin Pilot app does have a brightness control which auto sets to full .  I surmise that it is primarily for night use.

Any recommendations for a glare screen?

Thanks, Bill H.


On May 15, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase [at] earthlink.net

> wrote:


is it not bright enough or are you getting glare?


I think there is a plastic overlay with a matt finish that might help with the glare.

I assume you have the brightness all the way up and if garmin has a brightness control you have that all the way up also?


On May 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:



Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in flight.


Thanks, Bill H





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IPad

From: Bill Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPad
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 12:18:57 -0400
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Colyn

Your link was to the space shuttle camera.  Do you still have the link to the discussion on the IPad .

Thanks, Bill H




On May 16, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase [at] earthlink.net

> wrote:

bill, 


I have a case-mate but haven't tried it yet.  I think I got it at the ATT phone store.
Most apple dealers carry a variety of anti-glare covers.

On May 16, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:



Colyn, Ron,

Thanks for the suggestions.  I have the IPad brightness on full or are you suggesting that I turn the auto adjust feature on, in addition?

The Garmin Pilot app does have a brightness control which auto sets to full .  I surmise that it is primarily for night use.

Any recommendations for a glare screen?

Thanks, Bill H.


On May 15, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase [at] earthlink.net

> wrote:


is it not bright enough or are you getting glare?


I think there is a plastic overlay with a matt finish that might help with the glare.

I assume you have the brightness all the way up and if garmin has a brightness control you have that all the way up also?


On May 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:



Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in flight.


Thanks, Bill H





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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPad
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 12:18:57 -0400
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Ralph,  what mount are you using, in what plane?  Also, specifically, where is the mount in the plane?



Thanks, Bill H









On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love <ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org> wrote:



> Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way

> Ralph

>

> On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>

>> Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in flight.

>>

>> Thanks, Bill H

>>

>>

>>

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IPad

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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPad
Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 23:48:34 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

That's right.  They were using the anti-glare coating on the camera!


but here's another one you might find interesting:


On May 16, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Bill Hogarty wrote:



Colyn

Your link was to the space shuttle camera.  Do you still have the link to the discussion on the IPad .

Thanks, Bill H




On May 16, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase [at] earthlink.net

> wrote:

bill, 


I have a case-mate but haven't tried it yet.  I think I got it at the ATT phone store.
Most apple dealers carry a variety of anti-glare covers.

On May 16, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:



Colyn, Ron,

Thanks for the suggestions.  I have the IPad brightness on full or are you suggesting that I turn the auto adjust feature on, in addition?

The Garmin Pilot app does have a brightness control which auto sets to full .  I surmise that it is primarily for night use.

Any recommendations for a glare screen?

Thanks, Bill H.


On May 15, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Colyn Case <colyncase [at] earthlink.net

> wrote:


is it not bright enough or are you getting glare?


I think there is a plastic overlay with a matt finish that might help with the glare.

I assume you have the brightness all the way up and if garmin has a brightness control you have that all the way up also?


On May 15, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:



Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in flight.


Thanks, Bill H





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Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 19:57:10 -0400
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I found one on buy.com very cheap and works great.  Makes the screen a "matte" finish.   Makes for watching movies on a airliner better too when there is a lot of sunshine getting into the cabin. 



Ron








Colyn, Ron,



Thanks for the suggestions.  I have the IPad brightness on full or are you suggesting that I turn the auto adjust feature on, in addition?



The Garmin Pilot app does have a brightness control which auto sets to full .  I surmise that it is primarily for night use.



Any recommendations for a glare screen?



Thanks, Bill H.

IPad

From: William A. Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPad
Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 08:40:39 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Thanks Ron:



I ordered one tonite.  Fingers crossed.



Bill H.



On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Ron Galbraith <cfi [at] instructor.net> wrote:

> I found one on buy.com very cheap and works great.  Makes the screen a

> "matte" finish.   Makes for watching movies on a airliner better too when

> there is a lot of sunshine getting into the cabin.

>

> Ron

>

>

>

>

>

> Colyn, Ron,

>

> Thanks for the suggestions.  I have the IPad brightness on full or are you

> suggesting that I turn the auto adjust feature on, in addition?

>

> The Garmin Pilot app does have a brightness control which auto sets to full

> .  I surmise that it is primarily for night use.

>

> Any recommendations for a glare screen?

>

> Thanks, Bill H.

IPad

From: Ralph Love <ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org>
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Subject: RE: [LML] Re: IPad
Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 16:49:20 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Sorry for the late reply. I see you order a mount. The one I have been using

is Ram EZ-Roll'R.

Finding a place for it in the Legacy is a challenge since I don't like it in

my face. I have used it successfully in other plane mounting it on the

canopy on the passenger side. I can still see the iPad adequately and make

changes when necessary. Not the best solution, but my panel is full up

Ralph



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Ralph,  what mount are you using, in what plane?  Also, specifically, where

is the mount in the plane?



Thanks, Bill H









On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love <ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org>

wrote:



> Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me

> to see. Works great that way Ralph

>

> On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>

>>

>> Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in

flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in

flight.

>>

>> Thanks, Bill H

>>

>>

>>

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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPad
Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 18:38:05 -0400
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Ralph



I ordered a glare shield,  still looking to mount the IPad..



Could you post a photo of your IPad mount in your plane.  I haven't been able to come up



with anything feasible so far.

 

Thanks, Bill H











On May 18, 2012, at 1:49 PM, "Ralph Love" <ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org> wrote:



> Sorry for the late reply. I see you order a mount. The one I have been using

> is Ram EZ-Roll'R.

> Finding a place for it in the Legacy is a challenge since I don't like it in

> my face. I have used it successfully in other plane mounting it on the

> canopy on the passenger side. I can still see the iPad adequately and make

> changes when necessary. Not the best solution, but my panel is full up

> Ralph

>

> -----Original Message-----

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] On Behalf Of Bill

> Hogarty

> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:19 AM

> To: lml [at] lancaironline.net

> Subject: [LML] Re: IPad

>

> Ralph,  what mount are you using, in what plane?  Also, specifically, where

> is the mount in the plane?

>

> Thanks, Bill H

>

>

>

>

> On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love <ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org>

> wrote:

>

>> Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me

>> to see. Works great that way Ralph

>>

>> On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in

> flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in

> flight.

>>>

>>> Thanks, Bill H

>>>

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From: Ralph Love <ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPad
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 07:54:16 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Here's the picture I promised. Works great when you don't have a passenger. Its still hard to read because of the amount of light, but I could work with it.

Ralph






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On May 16, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:


Ralph,  what mount are you using, in what plane?  Also, specifically, where is the mount in the plane?



Thanks, Bill H









On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love <ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org> wrote:




Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way

Ralph



On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com> wrote:




Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in flight.



Thanks, Bill H









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From: Ted Noel <tednoel [at] cfl.rr.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPad
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 08:57:18 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

You may wish to visit
http://www.rammount.com/Products/LaptopMounts/tabid/1510/Default.aspx#/wizard
for a variety of options.



Ted Noel



On 6/4/2012 7:54 AM, Ralph Love wrote:

list-5577491 [at] logan.com" rel="noopener" type="cite">Here's the
picture I promised. Works great when you don't have a passenger.
Its still hard to read because of the amount of light, but I could
work with it.


Ralph




















On May 16, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:



Ralph,  what mount are you using, in what
plane?  Also, specifically, where is the mount in the plane?




Thanks, Bill H










On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love
ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org (<>)

wrote:



Do you have it mounted vertically. I
find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way


Ralph




On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty
billhogarty [at] gmail.com (<>)

wrote:





Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display
more visible in flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin
Pilot  App but just can't see it in flight.




Thanks, Bill H










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From: William A. Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPad
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:46:16 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Thanks Ralph



Bill H.



On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 5:57 AM, Ted Noel <tednoel [at] cfl.rr.com> wrote:

> You may wish to visit

> http://www.rammount.com/Products/LaptopMounts/tabid/1510/Default.aspx#/wizard

> for a variety of options.

>

> Ted Noel

>

>

> On 6/4/2012 7:54 AM, Ralph Love wrote:

>

> Here's the picture I promised. Works great when you don't have a passenger.

> Its still hard to read because of the amount of light, but I could work with

> it.

> Ralph

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> On May 16, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:

>

> Ralph,  what mount are you using, in what plane?  Also, specifically, where

> is the mount in the plane?

>

> Thanks, Bill H

>

>

>

>

> On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love <ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org>

> wrote:

>

> Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me to see.

> Works great that way

> Ralph

>

> On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty <billhogarty [at] gmail.com> wrote:

>

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in

> flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in

> flight.

>

> Thanks, Bill H

>

>

>

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From: Danny <danny [at] n107sd.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: IPad
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 08:26:20 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

Also check out http://www.gforcemount.com/.  This is what I have and love it.

 

Danny

LNC2-360, 550 hours

N 38° 43' 25.7"

W 77° 30' 38.6"

 

From: Ted Noel [tednoel [at] cfl.rr.com]">mailto:tednoel [at] cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:57 AM
To: lml [at] lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: IPad

 

You may wish to visit http://www.rammount.com/Products/LaptopMounts/tabid/1510/Default.aspx#/wizard for a variety of options.

Ted Noel

On 6/4/2012 7:54 AM, Ralph Love wrote:

Here's the picture I promised. Works great when you don't have a passenger. Its still hard to read because of the amount of light, but I could work with it.
Ralph









On May 16, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:


Ralph,  what mount are you using, in what plane?  Also, specifically, where is the mount in the plane?

Thanks, Bill H




On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org (<>)

wrote:


Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way
Ralph

On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty billhogarty [at] gmail.com (<>)

wrote:



Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in flight.

Thanks, Bill H




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From: Ron Jones <rjones2000 [at] sbcglobal.net>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPad
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 13:28:01 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>
Hi, Danny.

I looked at the G Force mount on their website. Question: will it rotate to landscape view?

I prefer that view when using Foreflight, but perhaps portrait view will fit better in the Legacy cockpit? What are your thoughts?

Thanks,

Ron Jones

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:26 AM, "Danny" <danny [at] n107sd.com

> wrote:

Also check out http://www.gforcemount.com/.  This is what I have and love it.

 

Danny

LNC2-360, 550 hours

N 38° 43' 25.7"

W 77° 30' 38.6"

 

From: Ted Noel [tednoel [at] cfl.rr.com]">mailto:tednoel [at] cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:57 AM
To: lml [at] lancaironline.net


Subject: [LML] Re: IPad

 

You may wish to visit http://www.rammount.com/Products/LaptopMounts/tabid/1510/Default.aspx#/wizard for a variety of options.

Ted Noel

On 6/4/2012 7:54 AM, Ralph Love wrote:

Here's the picture I promised. Works great when you don't have a passenger. Its still hard to read because of the amount of light, but I could work with it.
Ralph









On May 16, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:


Ralph,  what mount are you using, in what plane?  Also, specifically, where is the mount in the plane?

Thanks, Bill H




On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org (<>)

wrote:


Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way
Ralph

On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty billhogarty [at] gmail.com (<>)

wrote:



Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in flight.

Thanks, Bill H




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From: Danny <danny [at] n107sd.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IPad
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 16:12:52 -0400
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>
In a word, yes.  I rotate mine in multiple directions depending on the need.

Sent from my really cool iPhone
Danny

On Jun 5, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Ron Jones <rjones2000 [at] sbcglobal.net

> wrote:

Hi, Danny.

I looked at the G Force mount on their website. Question: will it rotate to landscape view?

I prefer that view when using Foreflight, but perhaps portrait view will fit better in the Legacy cockpit? What are your thoughts?

Thanks,

Ron Jones

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 5, 2012, at 5:26 AM, "Danny" <danny [at] n107sd.com

> wrote:

Also check out http://www.gforcemount.com/.  This is what I have and love it.

 

Danny

LNC2-360, 550 hours

N 38° 43' 25.7"

W 77° 30' 38.6"

 

From: Ted Noel [tednoel [at] cfl.rr.com]">mailto:tednoel [at] cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 8:57 AM
To: lml [at] lancaironline.net


Subject: [LML] Re: IPad

 

You may wish to visit http://www.rammount.com/Products/LaptopMounts/tabid/1510/Default.aspx#/wizard for a variety of options.

Ted Noel

On 6/4/2012 7:54 AM, Ralph Love wrote:

Here's the picture I promised. Works great when you don't have a passenger. Its still hard to read because of the amount of light, but I could work with it.
Ralph









On May 16, 2012, at 9:18 AM, Bill Hogarty wrote:


Ralph,  what mount are you using, in what plane?  Also, specifically, where is the mount in the plane?

Thanks, Bill H




On May 16, 2012, at 5:27 AM, Ralph Love ralphlove [at] stanfordalumni.org (<>)

wrote:


Do you have it mounted vertically. I find that's the only way for me to see. Works great that way
Ralph

On May 15, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Bill Hogarty billhogarty [at] gmail.com (<>)

wrote:



Does anyone have any suggestions to make my IPad display more visible in flight.  I am trying out the new Garmin Pilot  App but just can't see it in flight.

Thanks, Bill H




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From: PC <pcdavis [at] shasta.com>
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Subject: iPad
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 16:02:22 -0500
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

John et al,

 

Here are three screen shots of my iPad2, (not a mini).  I'm a house near Benton Airpark in Redding, CA.

The first shot is of the Settings page on the iPad.  No Wifi, No Bluetooth and I assure you nothing is connected to the iPad.

 

The second and third shots show the blue tracking dot and circle in ForeFlight.

 

Respectfully,

PC

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From: Todd Long <toddlong1 [at] gmail.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] iPad
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:29:07 -0500
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>
See, do you see where it says cellular data? Your iPad is not a Wi-Fi only iPad. Is a Wi-Fi plus 3G. You just do not have an active 3G plan. A true hardware version Wi-Fi only iPad does not have the option where it says cellular data in the settings section.

Typing and grammar errors courtesy of Siri and the iPhone.

On Nov 19, 2013, at 15:02, "PC" <pcdavis [at] shasta.com

> wrote:

John et al,

 

Here are three screen shots of my iPad2, (not a mini).  I'm a house near Benton Airpark in Redding, CA.

The first shot is of the Settings page on the iPad.  No Wifi, No Bluetooth and I assure you nothing is connected to the iPad.

 

The second and third shots show the blue tracking dot and circle in ForeFlight.

 

Respectfully,

PC

<iPad1.jpg>
<iPad2..jpg>
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iPad

From: Chris Zavatson <chris_zavatson [at] yahoo.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] iPad
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 08:29:49 -0500
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>
PC,
I see the "Cellular Data" menu item on your screen.  Only my 3/G iPad lists the cellular menu item, my WIFI only iPad does not.  I bet you have a 3/4G model.   Does it have a black plastic section across the top of the back side.
Chris
 



On Tuesday,
November 19, 2013 1:04 PM, PC <pcdavis [at] shasta.com> wrote:
John et al,
 
Here are three screen shots of my iPad2, (not a mini).  I'm a house near Benton Airpark in Redding, CA.
The first shot is of the Settings page on the iPad.  No Wifi, No Bluetooth and I assure you nothing is connected to the iPad.
 
The second and third shots show the blue tracking dot and circle in ForeFlight.
 
Respectfully,
PC


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From: Don Parsons <parsons.don [at] gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] iPad
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:40:11 -0500
To: <lml [at] lancaironline.net>

I have been watching this discussion... Just wanted to add this clarification since I believe you (PC) are indicating that you have a WiFi only iPad 2.


In the first screen shot of the system Settings, it shows the item "Cellular Data Off". With all WiFi only iOS devices, that item is hidden. It does not even show up in the list at all if the hardware does not support cellular data. The fact that we see that option says that the screenshot was taken on an iPad that is cellular data capable, but it is turned off. So that particular unit has a GPS receiver.

Here is a way you can make your own definitive check. Go into Settings > General > About. Look at the value for "Model". If your iPad 2 is a 64 GB WiFi only, the model number you will see is one of the following 2 possibilities:

MC916LL/A (64 GB Black) MC981LL/A (64 GB White)

If you iPad is a iPad 2 64GB WiFi + 3G GSM, the model number will be one of the following 2 values.

MC775LL/A (64 GB Black) MC984LL/A (64 GB White)

Another way to check, is do a Google search for the value listed for the your Model.

Don

On Nov 19, 2013, at 3:02 PM, PC <pcdavis [at] shasta.com

> wrote:



John et al,

 

Here are three screen shots of my iPad2, (not a mini).  I'm a house near Benton Airpark in Redding, CA.

The first shot is of the Settings page on the iPad.  No Wifi, No Bluetooth and I assure you nothing is connected to the iPad.

 

The second and third shots show the blue tracking dot and circle in ForeFlight.

 

Respectfully,

PC

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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:11:01 -0500
To: <lml>



Posted for "PC" <pcdavis [at] shasta.com>:

>

> Chris,
> Black plastic along side with on/off switch. Is that a sign of 3G?
> Hard to believe Apple send me more than I
ordered!!!
>
> Thanks,
> PC
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----From: "Chris Zavatson"  Sent:
Wed, November 20,
>2013 5:29Subject: [LML] Re: iPad
>
> PC,I see the "Cellular Data" menu item on your screen.  Only my
3/G iPad
>lists the cellular menu item, my WIFI only iPad does not.  I bet you have a
>3/4G model.   Does it have a
black plastic section across the top of the back
>side.Chris    

iPad

From: <marv [at] lancair.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: iPad
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:11:44 -0500
To: <lml>



Posted for "PC" <pcdavis [at] shasta.com>:

>
Thanks Don for the in-depth clarification.
>
> PC

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