GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE

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From: PETER WILLIAMS <peterpawaviation [at] hotmail.com>
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Subject: GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE
Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2014 16:53:38 -0400
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HI THERE         part one--nose gear
THE GEAR WON'T COME DOWN

1. NOSE GEAR is a simple system.


Put the handle in the down position;

the nose gear comes down

IF NOT,

slow to 120 knots


YOU ARE FINISHED WITH YOUR WORK


if the nose gear is not down,

desperation might get you to try
100-110 knots


BUT THAT'S IT

YOU ARE TOTALLY DONE WITH THE NOSE GEAR


accept whatever result you have and do not waste anymore time with
the

nose gear.

A.  when everything is working, the nose gear goes up and down with hydraulic pressure
B.  when nothing hydraulic is working the $60.00 piston will push the nose gear down

AND
the pump handle ONLY puts down pressure to the main gear. THAT"S IT

ACCEPT THIS PORTION OF YOUR PROBLEM AND MOVE ON


note

i put this out there so some other pilot will not crash while trying to solve a problem
 that is either over or unsolvable

GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE

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From: Matt <mattinlosangeles [at] yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2014 07:47:21 -0400
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What about climbing to some high altitude and doing a steep stall in the hopes of reducing the forward motion of the plane so the nose gear will come down and lock over center. 

Matt

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On Apr 4, 2014, at 1:53 PM, PETER WILLIAMS <peterpawaviation [at] hotmail.com

> wrote:

HI THERE         part one--nose gear
THE GEAR WON'T COME DOWN

1. NOSE GEAR is a simple system.


Put the handle in the down position;

the nose gear comes down

IF NOT,

slow to 120 knots


YOU ARE FINISHED WITH YOUR WORK


if the nose gear is not down,

desperation might get you to try
100-110 knots


BUT THAT'S IT

YOU ARE TOTALLY DONE WITH THE NOSE GEAR


accept whatever result you have and do not waste anymore time with
the

nose gear.

A.  when everything is working, the nose gear goes up and down with hydraulic pressure
B.  when nothing hydraulic is working the $60.00 piston will push the nose gear down

AND
the pump handle ONLY puts down pressure to the main gear. THAT"S IT

ACCEPT THIS PORTION OF YOUR PROBLEM AND MOVE ON


note

i put this out there so some other pilot will not crash while trying to solve a problem
 that is either over or unsolvable

GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE

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From: John Cooper <snopercod [at] comporium.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 08:13:56 -0400
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Matt--



In the olden days, Don Goetz reported that he did something
similar to what you suggested, only I don't think it was
necessarily a stall; He just pulled up into a nose-high attitude
until the airspeed bled off, then pushed over to let gravity lock
the NLG down. It seems like having an AoA system would help to
keep one from stalling during that maneuver.



--John



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Re: [LML] GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE
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Matt mattinlosangeles [at] yahoo.com (<>)
Date:

4/7/2014 7:47 AM
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What about climbing to some high altitude and doing a steep
stall in the hopes of reducing the forward motion of the plane
so the nose gear will come down and lock over center. 

GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE

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From: Jeff Edwards <vtailjeff [at] aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 09:19:47 -0400
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In what model? IV? Not a good idea......

Jeff

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On Apr 8, 2014, at 5:13 AM, John Cooper <snopercod [at] comporium.net

> wrote:

Matt--



In the olden days, Don Goetz reported that he did something
similar to what you suggested, only I don't think it was
necessarily a stall; He just pulled up into a nose-high attitude
until the airspeed bled off, then pushed over to let gravity lock
the NLG down. It seems like having an AoA system would help to
keep one from stalling during that maneuver.



--John



On 4/8/2014 6:00 AM, Lancair Mailing List wrote:

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Subject:

Re: [LML] GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE
From:

Matt mattinlosangeles [at] yahoo.com (<>)
Date:

4/7/2014 7:47 AM
To:

lml [at] lancaironline.net


What about climbing to some high altitude and doing a steep
stall in the hopes of reducing the forward motion of the plane
so the nose gear will come down and lock over center. 

GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE

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From: Matt <mattinlosangeles [at] yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2014 13:00:29 -0400
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Why is performing a stall in an IV "not a good idea". 

Matt

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On Apr 8, 2014, at 6:19 AM, Jeff Edwards <vtailjeff [at] aol.com

> wrote:

In what model? IV? Not a good idea......

Jeff

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 8, 2014, at 5:13 AM, John Cooper <snopercod [at] comporium.net

> wrote:

Matt--



In the olden days, Don Goetz reported that he did something
similar to what you suggested, only I don't think it was
necessarily a stall; He just pulled up into a nose-high attitude
until the airspeed bled off, then pushed over to let gravity lock
the NLG down. It seems like having an AoA system would help to
keep one from stalling during that maneuver.



--John



On 4/8/2014 6:00 AM, Lancair Mailing List wrote:

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Subject:

Re: [LML] GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE
From:

Matt mattinlosangeles [at] yahoo.com (<>)
Date:

4/7/2014 7:47 AM
To:

lml [at] lancaironline.net


What about climbing to some high altitude and doing a steep
stall in the hopes of reducing the forward motion of the plane
so the nose gear will come down and lock over center. 

GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE

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From: John Cooper <snopercod [at] comporium.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 07:49:26 -0400
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Jeff--



I'm pretty sure that was Don's blue L-235 with the 360 in it.



--John



On 4/9/2014 6:00 AM, Lancair Mailing List wrote:

In what model? IV? Not a good idea......

GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE

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From: PETER WILLIAMS <peterpawaviation [at] hotmail.com>
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Subject: RE: [LML] Re: GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 07:50:22 -0400
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hi there


NUTS

have you ever done a stall in a Lancair IV??

I had Len Fox do an evaluation of my Lancair IV before i flew it. i wanted to know what i had or didn't HAD

my IVP rotates 110 degrees in either direction, after the stall. not some thing to mess with.
  
and by a "deep" stall, i assume that  you mean a power on stall. GOD NO.

INSTEAD STAY FOCUSED AND MOVE ON.

OR
now if you had stalled your Lancair IV forty or fifty times and knew what to expect (you would be a test pilot)
by the way, Don Goetz  crashed 27 times in various airplanes.

AND

When you get on the ground alive, think about the $20,000 part that costs $60.00, that would have automatically put you nose gear down

THE IDEA IS TO BE SAFE AND PRACTICAL IN AN EMERGENCY SITUATION, NOT CRAZY

peter

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Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 09:19:47 -0400
From: vtailjeff [at] aol.com
Subject: [LML] Re: GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE

In what model? IV? Not a good idea......

Jeff

Sent from my iPad

On Apr 8, 2014, at 5:13 AM, John Cooper <snopercod [at] comporium.net

> wrote:

Matt--



In the olden days, Don Goetz reported that he did something
similar to what you suggested, only I don't think it was
necessarily a stall; He just pulled up into a nose-high attitude
until the airspeed bled off, then pushed over to let gravity lock
the NLG down. It seems like having an AoA system would help to
keep one from stalling during that maneuver.



--John



On 4/8/2014 6:00 AM, Lancair Mailing List wrote:

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Subject:

Re: [LML] GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE
From:

Matt mattinlosangeles [at] yahoo.com (<>)
Date:

4/7/2014 7:47 AM
To:

lml [at] lancaironline.net


What about climbing to some high altitude and doing a steep
stall in the hopes of reducing the forward motion of the plane
so the nose gear will come down and lock over center. 

GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE

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From: Jeff Edwards <vtailjeff [at] aol.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: GEAR WON'T COME DOWN- PART ONE
Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2014 08:47:50 -0400
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Roger! Thanks for the clarification.



Jeff



> On Apr 9, 2014, at 4:49 AM, John Cooper <snopercod [at] comporium.net> wrote:

>

> Jeff--

>

> I'm pretty sure that was Don's blue L-235 with the 360 in it.

>

> --John

>

>> On 4/9/2014 6:00 AM, Lancair Mailing List wrote:

>> In what model? IV? Not a good idea......

>

>

>

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