Safety wiring will pants

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From: George Wehrung <gw5 [at] me.com>
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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 11:23:16 -0400
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I have lost my outer bolt and spacer two times now for my wheel pants on the main gear.



Has anybody considered a way to safety wire the bolt to the wheel pant the bolt to prevent loosing them inflight?



I just hope it didn't hit anybody.







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Safety wiring will pants

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From: Gary Casey <casey.gary [at] yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: Safety wiring will pants
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 06:49:26 -0400
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I have found that the bolt needs to be part of the preflight inspection. Just wiggle the aft tip of the pant and if it moves, tighten the bolt. I hesitate to really tighten it as it would crush the pant material, so it's a judgement call. If you don't tighten it enough it for sure will come loose. I'm guessing, but it seems like about 10 ft-lbs is enough. One way to fix it would be to put a small (SS?) metal plate on the surface screwed to the pant, maybe with one screw behind the hole. Then put a star washer under the bolt head. Those bolt heads bug me - they must be costing 2 knots! I was going to either build a cavity in the pant to make them flush or to find a button head bolt. I did neither.
Gary


I have lost my outer bolt and spacer two times now for my wheel pants on the=
main gear.

Has anybody considered a way to safety wire the bolt to the wheel pant the b=
olt to prevent loosing them inflight?

I just hope it didn't hit anybody.

Safety wiring will pants

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From: George Wehrung <gw5 [at] me.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Safety wiring will pants
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:35:21 -0400
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I agree about the preflight.


I tightened it before I left Atlanta International.  Who knows, maybe I lost it on the horrendous taxiing all the way across the airport.




On Oct 14, 2014, at 6:49 AM, Gary Casey <casey.gary [at] yahoo.com

> wrote:



I have found that the bolt needs to be part of the preflight inspection. Just wiggle the aft tip of the pant and if it moves, tighten the bolt. I hesitate to really tighten it as it would crush the pant material, so it's a judgement call. If you don't tighten it enough it for sure will come loose. I'm guessing, but it seems like about 10 ft-lbs is enough. One way to fix it would be to put a small (SS?) metal plate on the surface screwed to the pant, maybe with one screw behind the hole. Then put a star washer under the bolt head. Those bolt heads bug me - they must be costing 2 knots! I was going to either build a cavity in the pant to make them flush or to find a button head bolt. I did neither.
Gary


I have lost my outer bolt and spacer two times now for my wheel pants on the=
main gear.

Has anybody considered a way to safety wire the bolt to the wheel pant the b=
olt to prevent loosing them inflight?

I just hope it didn't hit anybody.

Safety wiring will pants

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From: Skip Slater <skipslater [at] verizon.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:38:02 -0400
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When we built up my ES wheel pants, we bonded a
large metal washer to the outside of the bolt holes, then put filler on the
sides to blend it in and a couple of BID over it.  The idea was to prevent
stress from cracking the fiberglass by creating a hard point and spreading the
load.  It doesn't protect the paint - I put a flat washer under the bolt to
do that.  I've also lost bolts and spacers twice, even though I preflight
exactly the same way Gary described; by wiggling the back end of the pant to
check for tightness on each walkaround.  Even though I now put Locktite on
the ends of the threads, that bolt will still back it's way out over time. 
I just found one loose the last time I went flying a couple of days ago and it
took about a turn and a half to get the bolt tight again.
 
If I had it to do over again, I'd probably figure
out a way to secure the bolt because it's been a persistent
issue. 
 
Skip Slater
From: casey.gary [at] yahoo.com (Gary Casey)

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 3:49 AM
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Subject: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants

I have found that the bolt
needs to be part of the preflight inspection. Just wiggle the aft tip of the
pant and if it moves, tighten the bolt. I hesitate to really tighten it as it
would crush the pant material, so it's a judgement call. If you don't tighten
it enough it for sure will come loose. I'm guessing, but it seems like about
10 ft-lbs is enough. One way to fix it would be to put a small (SS?) metal
plate on the surface screwed to the pant, maybe with one screw behind the
hole. Then put a star washer under the bolt head. Those bolt heads bug me -
they must be costing 2 knots! I was going to either build a cavity in the pant
to make them flush or to find a button head bolt. I did neither.
Gary


I have lost my outer bolt and
spacer two times now for my wheel pants on the=
main gear.

Has anybody considered a way
to safety wire the bolt to the wheel pant the b=
olt to prevent loosing them
inflight?

I just hope it didn't hit
anybody.

Safety wiring will pants

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:18:04 -0400
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Posted for Danny <danny [at] n107sd.com>:

>

>
> Use a drilled bolt with a castle nut. Then you can insert a cotter pin
> through the hole in the bolt and the nut can't come
off.
>
> ---
> Danny
> LNC2-360
>
> On 10/13/2014 09:23, George Wehrung wrote:
>
>> I have
lost my outer bolt and spacer two times now for my wheel pants on the
>>main gear.
>>
>> Has anybody considered a way to
safety wire the bolt to the wheel pant the
>>bolt to prevent loosing them inflight?
>>
>> I just hope it didn't hit
anybody.
>>
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Safety wiring will pants

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From: Ron Raby <ronr [at] advanceddesign.com>
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 11:59:00 -0400
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I put a little locktite on the
threads.
 
Ron Raby
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pants

When we built up my ES wheel pants, we bonded a
large metal washer to the outside of the bolt holes, then put filler on
the sides to blend it in and a couple of BID over it.  The idea was to
prevent stress from cracking the fiberglass by creating a hard point and
spreading the load.  It doesn't protect the paint - I put a flat washer
under the bolt to do that.  I've also lost bolts and spacers twice, even
though I preflight exactly the same way Gary described; by wiggling the back
end of the pant to check for tightness on each walkaround.  Even though I
now put Locktite on the ends of the threads, that bolt will still back it's
way out over time.  I just found one loose the last time I went flying a
couple of days ago and it took about a turn and a half to get the bolt tight
again.
 
If I had it to do over again, I'd probably figure
out a way to secure the bolt because it's been a persistent
issue. 
 
Skip Slater
From: casey.gary [at] yahoo.com (Gary Casey)

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 3:49 AM
To: lml [at] lancaironline.net (Lancair Mailing List)

Subject: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants

I have found that the bolt
needs to be part of the preflight inspection. Just wiggle the aft tip of the
pant and if it moves, tighten the bolt. I hesitate to really tighten it as
it would crush the pant material, so it's a judgement call. If you don't
tighten it enough it for sure will come loose. I'm guessing, but it seems
like about 10 ft-lbs is enough. One way to fix it would be to put a small
(SS?) metal plate on the surface screwed to the pant, maybe with one screw
behind the hole. Then put a star washer under the bolt head. Those bolt
heads bug me - they must be costing 2 knots! I was going to either build a
cavity in the pant to make them flush or to find a button head bolt. I did
neither.
Gary


I have lost my outer bolt and spacer two
times now for my wheel pants on the=
main gear.

Has anybody considered a way to safety
wire the bolt to the wheel pant the b=
olt to prevent loosing them
inflight?

I just hope it didn't hit
anybody.

Safety wiring will pants

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From: Skip Slater <skipslater [at] verizon.net>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:09:58 -0400
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The bolt screws down into into the axle, so a
threaded nut doesn't work.
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Subject: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants



Posted for Danny <danny [at] n107sd.com

>:

>
>

> Use a drilled bolt with a castle nut. Then you can insert a cotter
pin
> through the hole in the bolt and the nut can't come off.
>

> ---
> Danny
> LNC2-360
>
> On 10/13/2014
09:23, George Wehrung wrote:
>
>> I have lost my outer bolt
and spacer two times now for my wheel pants on the
>>main
gear.
>>
>> Has anybody considered a way to safety wire the
bolt to the wheel pant the
>>bolt to prevent loosing them
inflight?
>>
>> I just hope it didn't hit
anybody.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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>>
For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html

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From: Bill Bradburry <bbradburry [at] verizon.net>
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Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 15:12:32 -0400
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I too have lost one of these bolts.

I haven’t done this, but you could
drill a couple of 1/16 inch holes in the wheel pant maybe ½ inch or so apart, aft
of the bolt and run a safety wire thru them.  Alternatively, you could flox in
a small loop of safety wire just aft of the bolt that you could use as an
attachment for a safety wire.  Similar to the way that the fuel drains in the
wings are safetied

 

Bill .

 

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will pants

 

When we built up my ES wheel pants, we bonded a large metal
washer to the outside of the bolt holes, then put filler on the sides to
blend it in and a couple of BID over it.  The idea was to prevent stress
from cracking the fiberglass by creating a hard point and spreading the
load.  It doesn't protect the paint - I put a flat washer under the bolt
to do that.  I've also lost bolts and spacers twice, even though I
preflight exactly the same way Gary described; by wiggling the back end of the
pant to check for tightness on each walkaround.  Even though I now put
Locktite on the ends of the threads, that bolt will still back it's way out
over time.  I just found one loose the last time I went flying a couple of
days ago and it took about a turn and a half to get the bolt tight again.

 

If I had it to do over again, I'd probably figure out a way
to secure the bolt because it's been a persistent issue. 

 

Skip Slater

From: casey.gary [at] yahoo.com (Gary Casey)

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wiring will pants

 

I
have found that the bolt needs to be part of the preflight inspection. Just
wiggle the aft tip of the pant and if it moves, tighten the bolt. I hesitate to
really tighten it as it would crush the pant material, so it's a judgement
call. If you don't tighten it enough it for sure will come loose. I'm guessing,
but it seems like about 10 ft-lbs is enough. One way to fix it would be to put
a small (SS?) metal plate on the surface screwed to the pant, maybe with one
screw behind the hole. Then put a star washer under the bolt head. Those bolt
heads bug me - they must be costing 2 knots! I was going to either build a
cavity in the pant to make them flush or to find a button head bolt. I did
neither.


Gary





I have lost my outer bolt and
spacer two times now for my wheel pants on the=

main gear.



Has anybody considered a way to
safety wire the bolt to the wheel pant the b=

olt to prevent loosing them
inflight?



I just hope it didn't hit anybody.

 

Safety wiring will pants

Submitted by Anonymous on

From: George Wehrung <gw5 [at] me.com>
Sender: <marv [at] lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:34:45 -0400
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That’s a great idea Bill, Thanks.


I am thinking of mounting a smaller head-drilled bolt aft of the main bolt with a NyLock Nut and safety wire both bolts together.


On Oct 14, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry [at] verizon.net

> wrote:




I too have lost one of these bolts.

I haven’t done this, but you could drill a couple of 1/16 inch holes in the wheel pant maybe ½ inch or so apart, aft of the bolt and run a safety wire thru them.  Alternatively, you could flox in a small loop of safety wire just aft of the bolt that you could use as an attachment for a safety wire.  Similar to the way that the fuel drains in the wings are safetied

 
Bill .

 

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] On Behalf Of Skip Slater
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:38 AM
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Subject: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants
 
When we built up my ES wheel pants, we bonded a large metal washer to the outside of the bolt holes, then put filler on the sides to blend it in and a couple of BID over it.  The idea was to prevent stress from cracking the fiberglass by creating a hard point and spreading the load.  It doesn't protect the paint - I put a flat washer under the bolt to do that.  I've also lost bolts and spacers twice, even though I preflight exactly the same way Gary described; by wiggling the back end of the pant to check for tightness on each walkaround.  Even though I now put Locktite on the ends of the threads, that bolt will still back it's way out over time.  I just found one loose the last time I went flying a couple of days ago and it took about a turn and a half to get the bolt tight again.
 

If I had it to do over again, I'd probably figure out a way to secure the bolt because it's been a persistent issue. 
 

Skip Slater
From: casey.gary [at] yahoo.com (Gary Casey)

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 3:49 AM

To: lml [at] lancaironline.net (Lancair Mailing List)

Subject: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants

 
I have found that the bolt needs to be part of the preflight inspection. Just wiggle the aft tip of the pant and if it moves, tighten the bolt. I hesitate to really tighten it as it would crush the pant material, so it's a judgement call. If you don't tighten it enough it for sure will come loose. I'm guessing, but it seems like about 10 ft-lbs is enough. One way to fix it would be to put a small (SS?) metal plate on the surface screwed to the pant, maybe with one screw behind the hole. Then put a star washer under the bolt head. Those bolt heads bug me - they must be costing 2 knots! I was going to either build a cavity in the pant to make them flush or to find a button head bolt. I did neither.


Gary



I have lost my outer bolt and spacer two times now for my wheel pants on the=
main gear.

Has anybody considered a way to safety wire the bolt to the wheel pant the b=
olt to prevent loosing them inflight?

I just hope it didn't hit anybody.

Safety wiring will pants

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From: Dan Ballin <dballin [at] gmail.com>
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:11:27 -0400
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Not that this would work on an ES and I don't have wheel pants on my RG Legacy, but I work as a builder for X-Air which is a light sport.  We have a small hole in the pant just aft of the bolt.  We then take some safety wire and wrap it a few turns around a small washer (probably about a #6) and then put both ends through the hole.  You now have one end of the safety wire secured and can use the ends as you normally would to secure the bolt head using a ANxH- bolt

Dan



On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:34 AM, George Wehrung <gw5 [at] me.com

> wrote:

That’s a great idea Bill, Thanks.

I am thinking of mounting a smaller head-drilled bolt aft of the main bolt with a NyLock Nut and safety wire both bolts together.


On Oct 14, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry [at] verizon.net

> wrote:



I too have lost one of these bolts.
I haven’t done this, but you could drill a couple of 1/16 inch holes in the wheel pant maybe ½ inch or so apart, aft of the bolt and run a safety wire thru them.  Alternatively, you could flox in a small loop of safety wire just aft of the bolt that you could use as an attachment for a safety wire.  Similar to the way that the fuel drains in the wings are safetied
 
Bill .
 

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] On Behalf Of Skip Slater
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:38 AM
To: Lancair Mailing List
Subject: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants
 
When we built up my ES wheel pants, we bonded a large metal washer to the outside of the bolt holes, then put filler on the sides to blend it in and a couple of BID over it.  The idea was to prevent stress from cracking the fiberglass by creating a hard point and spreading the load.  It doesn't protect the paint - I put a flat washer under the bolt to do that.  I've also lost bolts and spacers twice, even though I preflight exactly the same way Gary described; by wiggling the back end of the pant to check for tightness on each walkaround.  Even though I now put Locktite on the ends of the threads, that bolt will still back it's way out over time.  I just found one loose the last time I went flying a couple of days ago and it took about a turn and a half to get the bolt tight again.
 
If I had it to do over again, I'd probably figure out a way to secure the bolt because it's been a persistent issue. 
 
Skip Slater
From: casey.gary [at] yahoo.com (Gary Casey)

Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 3:49 AM
To: lml [at] lancaironline.net (Lancair Mailing List)

Subject: [LML] Re: Safety wiring will pants
 
I have found that the bolt needs to be part of the preflight inspection. Just wiggle the aft tip of the pant and if it moves, tighten the bolt. I hesitate to really tighten it as it would crush the pant material, so it's a judgement call. If you don't tighten it enough it for sure will come loose. I'm guessing, but it seems like about 10 ft-lbs is enough. One way to fix it would be to put a small (SS?) metal plate on the surface screwed to the pant, maybe with one screw behind the hole. Then put a star washer under the bolt head. Those bolt heads bug me - they must be costing 2 knots! I was going to either build a cavity in the pant to make them flush or to find a button head bolt. I did neither.
Gary


I have lost my outer bolt and spacer two times now for my wheel pants on the=
main gear.

Has anybody considered a way to safety wire the bolt to the wheel pant the b=
olt to prevent loosing them inflight?

I just hope it didn't hit anybody.