Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 11/24/1998 - 03:47 Forums: LML Archive From: Pieter Pienaar <Pine [at] CPro.co.za> Subject: Cannopy jettison Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 19:47:12 -0800 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Hi Has anyone have pic's or sketchs, plans for a cannopy jettison mechinism that is proven. I'm planning the forward cannopy and would like to be able to "pop" it if needed. -- Pine Pienaar pine [at] cpro.co.za Lancair 360 #664 Cannopy jettison Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 11/25/1998 - 05:47 From: Marvin Kaye <marvkaye [at] olsusa.com> Subject: Re: Cannopy jettison Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:47:10 -0500 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Pine, I always thought the idea of a jettisonable canopy, especially if you're going to do aerobatics with a 320, was an excellent one. The only kit that I can remember seeing which included that feature was Mike Campbell's Dream Catcher. He used a cable system to a D-ring which was conspicuously placarded for its function just below the left side of the panel. I don't know exactly how he ran the mechanism, but I'm pretty sure it required a 2-step process, the first operation to remove retaining pins (cotter keys) from the hinge pins, the second to actually pull the hinge pins themselves. I, too, would be interested in hearing any ideas anyone has along these lines as well. <Marv> Cannopy jettison Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 11/25/1998 - 15:34 From: Marvin Kaye <marvkaye [at] olsusa.com> Subject: Re: Cannopy jettison Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:34:33 -0500 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Regarding the recent additions to this subject... If you're in so much trouble that getting rid of the canopy and getting out of the airplane is the only possible route to survival, I think the considerations about whether or not the canopy might hurt you when it gets dumped are moot. Besides, a properly designed system would disconnect the canopy at its front edge and force it to hinge up from the rear to jettison, so I think that concern could be pretty easily addressed in the design phase. As for being able to actually get out once the canopy is gone and considering the circumstances surrounding this scenario, I have a feeling the adrenaline and survival instinct would both go a long way to helping you find a way out of the seat. In response to Antony's comments, yes, Mike sold the DC awhile ago. I spoke with him about his airplane several times, unfortunately never asked him about the jettison mechanism. If anyone out there knows Mike and could get this information I'd be happy to make it available on the LML homepage. Cannopy jettison Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 11/25/1998 - 18:16 From: Steve Colwell <colwell [at] innercite.com> Subject: Re: Cannopy jettison Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:16:46 -0800 To: a <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> <<a D-ring which was conspicuously placarded for its function >> would that be: Tail Removal Device ?? A more likely concern may be the airplane on its back and a provision for emergency exit. Some thoughts are: A handle mounted to the top of the rear windows to aid pulling them off. Red diagrams for Emergency access on the outside of the fuselage as seen on military aircraft. A knife/saw/hammer in the cockpit. A few years ago a Lancair 200 burned when it ran off the end of a runway down the side of a steep canyon at a fly-in. We left about an hour before the accident, but my recollection is they were too far down the canyon to be reached by anyone before fire. Maybe a good exit system would have saved them. Steve
Cannopy jettison Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 11/25/1998 - 05:47 From: Marvin Kaye <marvkaye [at] olsusa.com> Subject: Re: Cannopy jettison Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 00:47:10 -0500 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Pine, I always thought the idea of a jettisonable canopy, especially if you're going to do aerobatics with a 320, was an excellent one. The only kit that I can remember seeing which included that feature was Mike Campbell's Dream Catcher. He used a cable system to a D-ring which was conspicuously placarded for its function just below the left side of the panel. I don't know exactly how he ran the mechanism, but I'm pretty sure it required a 2-step process, the first operation to remove retaining pins (cotter keys) from the hinge pins, the second to actually pull the hinge pins themselves. I, too, would be interested in hearing any ideas anyone has along these lines as well. <Marv>
Cannopy jettison Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 11/25/1998 - 15:34 From: Marvin Kaye <marvkaye [at] olsusa.com> Subject: Re: Cannopy jettison Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:34:33 -0500 To: <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Regarding the recent additions to this subject... If you're in so much trouble that getting rid of the canopy and getting out of the airplane is the only possible route to survival, I think the considerations about whether or not the canopy might hurt you when it gets dumped are moot. Besides, a properly designed system would disconnect the canopy at its front edge and force it to hinge up from the rear to jettison, so I think that concern could be pretty easily addressed in the design phase. As for being able to actually get out once the canopy is gone and considering the circumstances surrounding this scenario, I have a feeling the adrenaline and survival instinct would both go a long way to helping you find a way out of the seat. In response to Antony's comments, yes, Mike sold the DC awhile ago. I spoke with him about his airplane several times, unfortunately never asked him about the jettison mechanism. If anyone out there knows Mike and could get this information I'd be happy to make it available on the LML homepage.
Cannopy jettison Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 11/25/1998 - 18:16 From: Steve Colwell <colwell [at] innercite.com> Subject: Re: Cannopy jettison Date: Wed, 25 Nov 1998 10:16:46 -0800 To: a <lancair.list [at] olsusa.com> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> <<a D-ring which was conspicuously placarded for its function >> would that be: Tail Removal Device ?? A more likely concern may be the airplane on its back and a provision for emergency exit. Some thoughts are: A handle mounted to the top of the rear windows to aid pulling them off. Red diagrams for Emergency access on the outside of the fuselage as seen on military aircraft. A knife/saw/hammer in the cockpit. A few years ago a Lancair 200 burned when it ran off the end of a runway down the side of a steep canyon at a fly-in. We left about an hour before the accident, but my recollection is they were too far down the canyon to be reached by anyone before fire. Maybe a good exit system would have saved them. Steve
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